Comments on: Mucking Out Mead https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2020/07/28/mucking-out-mead/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 24 Aug 2020 01:40:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Pquincy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2020/07/28/mucking-out-mead/comment-page-1/#comment-73671 Mon, 24 Aug 2020 01:40:28 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3312#comment-73671 Applause seconded: whatever disciplinary flaws historians have (and we surely do), this kind of reasoning is very effectively dismantled by even very elementary historical analysis. Thank you.

Nota bene: the article was retracted a whopping 2 days after “serious concerns were raised”, and week after Bazzi’s helpful tweet.

At Springer (which we should remember is a ruthless rent-extraction scam perpetrated on the academy… trust me, I’ve published with them, and it was embarrassingly bad, even though the journal involved was in my estimation good), the journal Society is described as publishing “new ideas and research findings drawn from all the social sciences, and presented in a readable and useful manner. It is aimed at decision makers and others concerned with trends in modern society.” That is, it is carefully _not_ defining itself as a research journal in disciplinary terms, but rather a vessel for communicating research to ‘decision makers’, whoever that might be.

This makes their willingness to publish this piece even more shocking and embarrassing, IMHO.

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By: DCA https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2020/07/28/mucking-out-mead/comment-page-1/#comment-73662 Sat, 01 Aug 2020 21:13:36 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3312#comment-73662 Wow, this guy is just…….impressively bad. Even worse, split “Asian” into “India” and “China-region” and you get two completely separate groups, neither one from an “individualist” culture, both very successful in the USA.

I think it is possible (though maybe wrong) to argue that certain cultural and social traits were part of why some societies (eg the Dutch) transitioned into the “modern economy” earlier than others. But trying to build this argument into some kind of inherited basis for inequality would be beyond laughable if the consequences weren’t so serious.

Thanks for the African information, too.

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By: Ed https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2020/07/28/mucking-out-mead/comment-page-1/#comment-73661 Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:45:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3312#comment-73661 Mead’s article has now been retracted by the journal “Society,” at least partially for not being “supported by facts and evidence.” You can read parent company Springer Nature’s statement here: https://group.springernature.com/gp/group/media/press-releases/springer-nature-statement-society-article/18232228

I’m curious what you think about retraction in this case. My own instinct is that journal-initiated retraction is completely inappropriate in the social sciences as a remedy for (merely) tendentious, contentious, poorly-reasoned, incomplete, or similarly-deficient work. (To be clear, I take no position on Mead’s work. I haven’t read it, and I don’t plan to.)

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By: Russell Arben Fox https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2020/07/28/mucking-out-mead/comment-page-1/#comment-73658 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:25:33 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3312#comment-73658 [long and sustained and grateful applause]

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