Comments on: A New Year https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 09 Feb 2018 21:12:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Brutus https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73504 Fri, 09 Feb 2018 21:12:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73504 I’m late to the discussion but let me add my lousy 2 cents. Obviously, there are too many intertwined issues here to treat them all, but the early promise or hope of what digital communications and social networks could become was never a major theme for me. Irrational exuberance about the (social) revolution being televised, Tweeted, or otherwise fomented through social media never struck me as even remotely accurate. That’s just not how things work, either historically or incipiently. For me, it has always been about two things: slow vs. fast information and a platform of personal integrity vs. anonymous jibes, trolls, and attacks. I try to embody the former, which means I’m often late to post and not provocative enough to satisfy audiences out for blood. (My anonymity is a modest bit of insulation, which I didn’t adopt so that I could misbehave.) In contrast, the digital ethic has clearly become the latter: rushing to judgment and sour. So yeah, heavily curated is right, but that’s always been true of the information environment. Accordingly, we award our continued attention to those who earn it and begrudge our attention to those who demand it. You’ve definitely earned it, which is why I keep coming back. However, don’t mistake what you thought social media might become from what it has in fact become. A few thoughtful, worthwhile contributors continue to make their content available inside the maelstrom, not realistically expecting to solve anything but nonetheless trying to make sense of some portion of the noise and nonsense we all confront as members of society.

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By: Maarja Krusten https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73500 Sat, 03 Feb 2018 12:10:09 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73500 Thanks for your thoughtful blogging, Dr. Burke. As a historian who also has worked on governmental assignments involving two other professions (archives and records management), I’ve found your essays about the value of evidence useful in reaching out online to information professionals. As I note in a new post at my own blog about your “A New Year” post, public engagement by historians is not without risks. https://archivalexplorations.wordpress.com/2018/01/28/the-years-teach-much-the-days-never-knew/

As you note, writing about professional issues requires balancing candor and discretion. But in my view, worth trying–with the recognition that information and knowledge asymmetry may not always be recognized by all those with whom we engage. Thanks for your work here and elsewhere online.

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By: Maarja Krusten https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73494 Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:10:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73494 I just read your blog post and responded via Twitter (yes, I know, Twitter) in a two-tweet thread that links to a post I wrote about the unknowable online impact of the writing of humanists and another post about information asymmetry and circumspection, and not just for those of us who handle classified records and sensitive information. https://twitter.com/ArchivesMaarja/status/956106321488699392 I may work some of my response into a blog post I’m writing this week. But I did want to let you know that reading your voice here has brought me light over the years, and strength when I have been weary, more than you ever could have known as you have been writing here.

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By: CarlD https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73492 Sun, 21 Jan 2018 23:48:42 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73492 You do great work here. I always learn something and think more clearly for reading your posts. I think all the time about something you said awhile back, about engaging with the best version of an argument whether that’s what’s on offer from time to time or not. You’ve always done that and it’s inspiring.

That said, my wife makes fun of me for, as she says, “listening to all the words.” The content of arguments is so rarely all or even most of what’s going on. Oh not again he’s going to tell us it’s a complex system is a good joke but it’s also right, and I wonder what it would look like if we embraced this as an analytical baseline rather than torturing ourselves with the failures of discourse to settle into tidy linearities.

I also think all the time about your quote from Lessing, about the activist who commits suicide when she finds her ideals in the hands of human beings. That’s a game urgently worth changing.

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By: MentalEngineer https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73491 Fri, 19 Jan 2018 03:33:29 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73491 I think I’ve only commented here once before, but Gabriel’s first paragraph was exactly what I came here to say. For me, “the raising rather than brutally disposing of open questions” is why I visit your blog at least once a day, even when weeks of silence suggest there’ll be nothing to see. When a new post shows up, it’s always worth it.

And as a young-ish proto-academic, one of the most valuable parts of this blog is precisely your struggle to get all the competing considerations you mention right. It’s both educational and remarkably affirming to see someone thoughtfully and conscientiously grappling with all the sorts of problems I find myself facing (grad students and young faculty in my discipline are quite susceptible to the fast-moving probably-bad-faith pile-ons you worry about) and contemplate facing (right now I’m not quite “the man,” but I might be very soon – how do I inhabit that position without becoming everything I hate about it). And from where I, the relatively uninformed reader, sit, you seem to do very well at all this.

Of course, the fact that your hours of labor have such value to me shouldn’t persuade you to write or refrain from writing. But I thought you deserved to know.

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By: NickS https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73490 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 21:10:42 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73490 Interesting coincidence, there’s a discussion of this topic in the most recent Ezra Klein podcast (starting around 26:00, Jaron Lanier gives his broad theory about online interaction and then Ezra Klein talks about how changes in context have affected his blogging).

I’m not entirely convinced by Lanier’s theory but it’s interesting that, while being skeptical of some of the choices that have been made in technology and social media, he gives an answer which could serve as a defense of an idealized California techno-optimism.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73489 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:22:46 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73489 Gabriel, your comments have been great! Very much what I was seeking from the beginning. No apologies necessary. It’s more the relationship between what gets said in a space like this and the vast, fast, algorithmically-mediated streams of social media discourse that worries me; the degree to which in those spaces it doesn’t matter if you are careful in a long-form essay, because all that will matter is the title or the link itself.

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By: gabriel conroy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73488 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:20:37 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73488 There is a small number of bloggers who, when I first encounter them, I was so intrigued that I went back through their blog history and read or at least skimmed, over the course of a few weeks, almost everything they had written. You are one of those bloggers.

I know lately I’ve disagreed with a good chunk of what you’ve said here. Not a majority of it, but a good chunk. I have been pretty confrontational, especially in my most recent comment on this blog, on your last post.

I still believe what I do and therefore don’t apologize for what I’ve said, although I could have and should have probably reserved those thoughts for my own blog. Suffice it to say, though, I value your contributions here and like Maria above, you’ve prompted me to think about a lot of things from a different angle. At the same time, I realize the constraints you’re under (from what you’ve said here…..I don’t know you personally) and I further have a default respect for anyone who, unlike me, blogs under their own name.

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By: jerry hamrick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73487 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:56:40 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73487 I am glad to hear that you are going to make another try to talk to us.

“Public debate, per se, is dead.” I don’t think it was ever alive. The tyranni of the world are delighted when the democrati of the world want to debate. When Huxley debated Wilberforce, I doubt any minds were changed, they may have been clarified and their arguments strengthened, but not changed.

Debate in Congress is a joke, unless there is someone looking on who holds some sort of hammer–which almost never happens.

When LBJ saw the horror in Alabama when the Selma to Montgomery marchers were brutally attacked, he addressed Congress and gave a wonderful speech. His audience was mostly white and government workers so they were not going to do anything, but LBJ knew they were scared. They had witnessed the outing of white supremacy and white bigotry and nobody knew what would happen next.It may well have been that Lyndon Johnson was the only white man in the room who knew what to do—and it was even more likely that he was the only white man in the room who was determined to do it. But it was certain that he was the only white man in the room who had the power of office and the force of personality to command others to do his bidding.

The marchers in Alabama had finally sold their cause to someone who would take it up and work to make it happen.

The moral of this story is that nothing happens this world until someone sells to someone else. I know what I want to sell, and I am selling it. What would you like to sell?

I think one’s time is best spent trying to force changes. Not just point out that change is needed but trying to get the change made. Even if everything you are shooting for is not accomplished, here and there, from time to time, you will get something done, And in the combat you may draw an onlooker or two into the fray.

Decide what you want to tear down, or build up, and then hit it hard and often.

You are a great writer and thinker, don’t worry about reaction (of course that is easy for me to say, I am not a professor in a university that probably is very wary of public attention of what it judges to be the wrong kind.)

Just this morning I read an essay by a guy named Avent about the future of AI. I wonder what you think that future is. I developed robots back in 1991, and they ran a telephone company. They did all the back office processing and led the customer service and marketing department workers through their conversations with the outside world.

This Avent guy was talking about putting people out of work. I put my first people out of work in 1967 with some computer programs. I have been worried about AI for more than fifty years. I think what I think, and I write about what I think should be done, but I wonder what you think. What kind of society do we need and when will we need it?

I have an opinion of what it would look like, what it would take to get in implemented, and what benefits it would provide. But when I bring it up in all kinds of places I get insults on a good day. I get banned on a bad day. So, I found out the hard way that having a good idea, which naturally I think I have, is not enough. Nobody on the Internet gives a damn about anybody’s ideas but their own.

So, I realized that to get my ideas into action I have to do the hard work of selling them. They will never be approved by acclamation.

But I am interested in what you think, but from your gut. No tiptoeing. I came here years ago in hopes of hearing it.

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By: Western Dave https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2018/01/16/a-new-year/comment-page-1/#comment-73485 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 02:59:31 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3215#comment-73485 So I lost my blogging voice for most of 2017. And then I found it. I hope that happens for you, though obviously through happier circumstances. Let’s grab a drink.

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