Comments on: Good-Bye New York Times https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/05/01/good-bye-new-york-times/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 03 May 2017 10:59:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Gabriel Conroy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/05/01/good-bye-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-73310 Wed, 03 May 2017 10:59:02 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3129#comment-73310 You’re right that you listed other reasons, in addition to Stephens. I neglected to acknowledge that, and I should have. I’ll need to read that vox article you linked to. I’m sure it will clarify better where you’re coming from.

I still think I see this issue a bit differently from how you do. I’m not a regular NYT reader. (I almost never use up my monthly allotment of 10 “free” articles.) But I appreciate you clarifying what you mean.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/05/01/good-bye-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-73308 Tue, 02 May 2017 11:42:57 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3129#comment-73308 So as you can see from this piece, my complaint with the Times is a bit larger than Stephens. Stephens represents a habit, a trend, a pattern with the Times.

As you may know, I’m quite willing to talk about the dangers of overweening scientism and about the sometimes troubled fit between scientific knowledge and public policy. The problem with Stephens’ one column here is that he makes the point and applies it in a bizarrely specific way, and with an essentially inaccurate and manipulative invocation of “probability” against other things which are certain. It reminds me very much of how creationists manipulate the word “theory” to try to convince people that evolution isn’t really a “fact”. Either his point about probability and certainty applies to virtually everything we do that’s rests on some theory of near and medium-term trends and predictions, not just to climate change, or it has to argue that the probabilities of climate change specifically are far more tentative than almost anything else in scientific or social scientific knowledge. Neither of which he does.

If you want a sense of why I’m sure this kind of tendentious, manipulative junk is a habit with him, try this: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/26/15413718/bret-stephens-new-york-times

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By: Gabriel Conroy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/05/01/good-bye-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-73307 Tue, 02 May 2017 11:35:30 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3129#comment-73307 I had never heard of Stephens until I read this post. So I looked him up and read what appears so far to be his only op-ed at NYT. It didn’t strike me as denialist but more as a warning that we need to balance how much science can teach us against the value decisions we must make as members of a polity.

My knee jerks in the direction of being sympathetic to Stephens’s argument against an “overweening scientism.” So perhaps I should be suspicious of my own motives here. And I’ll concede two points regarding Stephens. 1) That op-ed is the only thing I’ve read and therefore I might be missing a context here. 2) I imagine that a good number of actual denialists engage in the “I’m not a denialist, just someone who questions the extremists.”

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By: Michael Berube https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/05/01/good-bye-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-73306 Mon, 01 May 2017 16:06:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3129#comment-73306 Terrific — I will think about doing the same (though not so eloquently). In the third paragraph, but w/r/t to the history of NYT opinion writers in general: they also cancelled Sydney Schanberg’s op-ed column in 1985 because he had the temerity to note, correctly, that all three major NYC papers (but not Newsday, where he wound up!) were in the tank for the bullshit Westway project. I remarked at the time that Schanberg survived the killing fields of Cambodia but not the New York Times’ connections to real estate developers.

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