Comments on: We Have Been Here Before https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/04/25/we-have-been-here-before/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:15:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/04/25/we-have-been-here-before/comment-page-1/#comment-73305 Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:15:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3122#comment-73305 In reply to Bart Simon.

I think you can argue, as Tim Lacy does, that the time is right to come up with some more custodial/shared structure, in line with many other changes taking place in how universities have slowly stepped back into an in loco parentis role, sometimes at the demand of their own students. The difficulty there, and I despair a little sometimes in talking with current students about this, is that some of them believe that they can situationally demand that custodial involvement when they want it and reject it completely when they don’t. The letter some Pomona students sent about Alice Goffman is a bit of an example of that–wanting to be able to demand an outcome, without conversation or negotiation, when they want it, and otherwise be uninvolved when they don’t. You’re either partners in governance all the time, with the same heavy sense of responsibility for the consequences of your agency, or you’re not; you can’t just be in charge when you don’t like the outcome of someone else using their agency or judgment and then leave it to someone else when the outcomes suit you.

So if we make a structural change, I think that students, faculty and admins working together to approve speakers will find they haven’t escaped the contours of the issues as they’ve developed since 1950, especially not at public universities. Even working together, they’d find for one that the hostility of conservative legislators will still be there to be reckoned with. The problem of creating a shared standard that would not just amount to “conservatives bad, leftists good” would still be there. The degree to which a shared committee would likely fall into a risk-averse, duller, more mainstream sensibility strikes me as an immediate issue. I also think you’d find that such a panel or structure would immediately be rent by divisional and disciplinary rivalries that students would either get held hostage to or be partisans within.

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By: Bart Simon https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/04/25/we-have-been-here-before/comment-page-1/#comment-73303 Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:42:45 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3122#comment-73303 Amazing post… thanks Tim. I think I find myself essentially agreeing with your position here even though I also sense that our positions are far too liberal. The trick is in wondering whether wholesale structural change requires the kind of revolutionary appropriation of resources and authors that some student groups seem to advocate.

Is our position not the equivalent of “let a thousand speakers bloom”? let the students do their thing, faculty will do theirs and so on. Or do the historical times require a structural intervention based on lessons learnt from the past in accordance with some collectively identified ethic?

Cheers,
bart

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By: Tim Lacy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/04/25/we-have-been-here-before/comment-page-1/#comment-73302 Tue, 25 Apr 2017 21:32:05 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3122#comment-73302 Thanks! Your piece has helped me, a lot, in thinking about an article I may write in the next 6 months-year (for an edited academic collection). – TL

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/04/25/we-have-been-here-before/comment-page-1/#comment-73301 Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:27:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3122#comment-73301 In reply to Tim Lacy.

The Ulrich Baer piece reminded me about Shockley and Wallace at Yale, and then I spent this morning looking up old cases in the NYT. I hadn’t ever read the Hacker or Hook essays before, and those were absorbing. (And in the case of Hook, pretty damn annoying–he is 100% what Garry Wills so beautifully indicted in Nixon Agonistes.

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By: Tim Lacy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2017/04/25/we-have-been-here-before/comment-page-1/#comment-73300 Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:45:48 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3122#comment-73300 Thanks for this, Tim. I really do appreciate it. Where did you find your historical information on campus speakers? Is it from memory of your own research, or in a particular article/book? – TL

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