Comments on: The Machine of Morbius https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:06:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: lemmy caution https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73155 Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:06:02 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73155 “lemmy: Trump’s odiousness notwithstanding, it’s exactly your sort of elite non-responsiveness that will eventually usher in your doom, though I know it’s probably impossible for you to understand that.”

Trump isn’t righteous vengeance for elite missteps. He is just a rich asshole who has the republican nomination.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73152 Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:29:19 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73152 I think that’s a fair point, provinces. Different voices in the two, and a different understanding of how to move forward. I am not sure that at all times and all circumstances that any of us can remain infinitely open to dialogic engagement on the things we feel strongly about. There are moments where policies are the right tool for thinking through change. I think they tend to be highly specific and they tend to involve operations which are specifically governmental rather than civic or social. But I do take the observation.

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By: In the provinces https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73151 Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:17:21 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73151 You might want to compare the remarks you made in this post with the ones in your previous post.

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By: Jane https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73150 Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:19:14 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73150 I agree Trump is (among other things) a vehicle of grievance. I just want to point out that so is Clinton, so was Sanders. But in the case of Trump the aggrieved are represented by Republicans – this is a beauty of our two party system. Everyone should have a party they can take their grievances to, and they should be able to seek real readdress through our political process.

I don’t understand why this isn’t happening. And I’m not a natural representative of the aggrieved. I can be less of an ass, but that doesn’t really matter. There has to be an acceptable political outlet for these angers.

And I guess the thing is – retributive grievance is fundamentally not acceptable. We can engage in the work of making people whole from past errors, but the vengeful aspect of this Crusade is a problem regardless of how unjust those harms were.

And I guess it’s exactly Trump’s lone willingness to be Vengeance that makes him appealing.

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By: jerry hamrick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73148 Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:31:11 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73148 You are on the mark, Herr Doktor Professor. Down here in Texas we make a practice of selecting our governor, the Chair of the Textbook Committee, and the Attorney General by using the method you described for Trump. We live in a fantasy world. We don’t really care much about reality.

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By: Mzungu wa China https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73147 Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:27:30 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73147 I kind of like the idea of a nation divided. There is something authentic about it. While I am equally appalled at our current political situation, I’m not sure it is clear what kind of country we could all get behind. No one has much national vision and upon reflection I’m not sure that is such a bad thing in and of itself given that most such visions have historically been built on lies and puffery. It might be fun to explore what an America with a looser, less united, societal structure might look like. And I don’t buy the argument that a socially more diverse, less cohesive America must inevitably be a more bigoted one. Live and Let Live might be a good new motto.

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By: Joe https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73146 Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:33:28 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73146 This is such a great post. We have to learn to listen to each other. We have to take the time to sit together with our stories, and our pain. We don’t have to accept the logic or the solutions which come out of them, but we need to not jump to our own logic and solutions without first really practicing empathy. For as long as we dismiss all of this – as though we right-thinking folk had never been judged or bullied or hoodwinked – we will never build solutions together.

Only connect.

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By: Bitman https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73145 Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:51:57 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73145 lemmy: Trump’s odiousness notwithstanding, it’s exactly your sort of elite non-responsiveness that will eventually usher in your doom, though I know it’s probably impossible for you to understand that.

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By: lemmy caution https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73144 Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:26:54 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73144 Trump has a little bit less support than normal losing republican presidential candidates.

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By: Jo Brown https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/07/18/the-machine-of-morbius/comment-page-1/#comment-73143 Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:15:03 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=3005#comment-73143 Right on. The grievances are real, and many are caused by predatory capitalism and the entitlement it spawns. It’s the bizarre expectation that a predatory capitalist will solve them that seems baffling, until we see that this is how the ringleader recruits his gang: injure them, or cause them to injure each other, then rush in with promises of relief for the very injury that he caused, forming a traumatic bond, and issuing a license to harm the nxt recruit. Your essay helps explain why the baffling expectation persists. Thank you.

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