Comments on: On Uagadou, the African Wizarding School https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:33:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: drveen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73046 Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:33:53 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73046 “Interesting” how a fan-fic flamefest (except, without the actual fiction) inspired by literature for “young people” takes up so much space on an academic blog….

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By: Ronan https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73032 Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:06:31 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73032 This is very interesting and insightful. I don’t usually love the “Africa is not a nation” rhetoric, as (1) when I’ve seen it used it’s generally to shut down conversation , or (2) it seems to work as a signal of righteousness among the internet chattering classes. It also seems , to some degree afaict, to be in part wrong. People do simplify non African entities (Europe, the west, the middle east etc) as generalities. But this post seems to me to be a fair minded , astute response, so I’ve no idea what blattman and farrell are so offended by.
Two questions though. (1) when is it legitimate to speak of an “Africa”? Or even a subsaharan Africa, or west Africa as a region which can be generalised from?
(2) Rather than/aswell as herbst, what should a person read an pre colonial African state systems? Or indeed magic as a cultural/political phenomenon in Africa?

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By: JPool https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73031 Sat, 06 Feb 2016 04:44:34 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73031 Some assorted thoughts:

To AP’s point, I don’t think this is what Rowling was actively trying to do, but isn’t naming the location as the Mountains of the Moon, an imagined place that Rwenzori has been associated with, roughly equivalent to calling the school the Prester John Academy?

I may well be wrong, but my memory of the bits and pieces of magical history that found their way out of Hermione’s notes into the books is that wizard history was largely separate from muggle history, involving conflicts with magical creatures of which the muggles remained largely blissfully unaware, and the former was more likely to influence the latter than the other way around (there’s something in their about muggle witch hunts having no real effect on real witches). So if Rowlings were to carry this thread forward with respect to Africa, it would make more sense to ground it in African wizard histories than in African muggle history. She would still need to draw on actual African history and culture to ground it realistically in the continent, but would be much freer to chart a parallel course of development (say the original Uagadou was one of a series of regional wizarding schools which competed and collaborated with one another and the name moved when the school was destroyed and most of the faculty had to relocate to Rwenzori following the Third Djin War).

The not using wands, just their hands thing, given how much the books invest in the power and importance of wand magic, is either a deeply lazy and orientalist conception (European wizards develop this amazing magical technology, but African wizard never adopt it because … something about sensual embodiment?) or it would have to involve some extended discussion of the pro and cons of using wands instead of hands and why African wizards have chosen collectively to reject it.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73030 Fri, 05 Feb 2016 03:44:44 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73030 I think it’s because I’m not inclined to think that they took seriously what it means that there were “states in Africa”, in the sense that this was more than a speedbump on the way to the point they planned to make? I’m not sure what it means to say “there were states in Africa, yes” and then say, “But not state systems” and “And those states should be primarily understood as what they’re not”. That certainly makes me feel as if “there were states in Africa” is a pro forma point rather than an important part of the analysis.

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By: Darryl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73029 Fri, 05 Feb 2016 00:00:54 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73029 This is a great post and generally persuasive, but this:

I think I am right to say that Farrell and Blattman’s acknowledgement that there were states is essentially prophylactic, meant to head off precisely the kind of Twitter objection I offered.

Stands out as oddly and uncharacteristically uncharitable. This seems to be suggesting that F&B desired to make a claim about Africa and states that they knew to be false, and changed it to a half-false claim to deflect criticism. But why would they desire to claim something they knew to be false? I’m not familiar with Blattman, but Farrell is a careful, scrupulous scholar; it’s difficult for me to believe he’d have such a motivation, let alone act on it in this way.

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By: Assistant Professor https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73028 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:35:21 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73028 Speaking of Sunjata, I have always thought that the fact that Soumaoro Kanté is wounded, but escapes would be a perfect “hook” for any number of fantasy stories. You mean the evil wizard fled but the Never Found the Body? The story practically writes itself!

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By: Mari Webel https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73027 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:18:50 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73027 Echoing my thanks for engaging so quickly and thoroughly with this WaPo piece (which I also found infuriating, though I’m not engaged with the Potterverse). Rowling’s mis-steps seem less important, here, than the presumptions of Farrell and Blattman re: Great Lakes region, which I still struggle to sputter into a meaningful critique!

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By: Misty Bastian https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73026 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:10:56 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73026 Ok, first, thanks, Tim, for writing this! I was feeling rageful towards the WaPo political scientists–and put that down to the almost inevitable “state-centric” bias of that discipline more than anything else. Rowling ought to read this blog, frankly, and engage with it. As for a wizarding school in Djenne or Timbuctu, I would note that The Sunjata epic already suggests there were not only wizards there, but people training them in their craft before the colonial encounter. The problem not addressed here is the incursion of Islam as a competing paradigm in that area. Again, that’s all over Sunjata and other “orature” of Sahelian West Africa. So could it be prosletysing religion before western colonialism as a motor to move a wizarding school away? And, indeed, internal evidence (if only I had Hogwarts, a History at hand) in Rowling’s original books might suggest that the dominance of Christianity in the UK led to the hiding of the wizard world there. 🙂 Meanwhile, loved this.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73025 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:23:38 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73025 In reply to Assistant Professor.

Good thoughts! I could imagine the following:

1) formal wizarding institutions in Timbuktu/Djenne and Axum as you say. There’s some states for you, and some state systems for you, and some state systems linked into global systems of trade and cultural exchange. I think in the Timbuktu/Djenne academy, there’d be a three-layered conflict between Islamic magics, non-Islamic indigenous magics, and Western-inflected magics (wand users).

2) “secret society” wizarding institutions in many West African societies that would be formal, extensive in their influence, but not centered in a building or a materially specific location

3) a formal colonial-era wizarding school in the Karoo that had to cope with apartheid, etc.

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By: Assistant Professor https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2016/02/04/on-uagadou-the-african-wizarding-school/comment-page-1/#comment-73024 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:08:04 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2924#comment-73024 Okay, so I’m a Europeanist who stumbles through Africa when teaching the World History sequence, always hoping that I’m not effing up too badly and feeling guilty that I have a Sahelian/Ethiopian bias. Here, though, are some thoughts I have in no particular order.

1) I think that the phrase Mountains of the Moon is a giveaway to how JKR’s thinking. Let’s look at Hogwarts. Hogwarts is basically a turn of the twenty-first century Brit’s magical-fantasy version of an Edwardian public school (but without quite so much rape). In the same way, if you say Mountains of the Moon rather than, say Ruwenzori, you’re basically saying that this is a British fantasy version of Africa, since Mountains of the Moon invokes the school child’s fantastical images of remote and inaccessible Africa.

1a) I think the best analogy is Charlie Stross’s Black Chamber in his Laundry Files novel. It’s basically a British left-libertarian’s imagination of the very worst possible version of the American security state, even though it’s placed in a series that has decent world-building with respect to the rest of NATO.

2) I wonder if making a fuss over JKR’s world-building seems to be asking the wrong sort of questions. This is a series where Slytherin basically has WE ARE DEATH EATERS OR DEATH EATER-SYMPATHIZERS written on the house crest and yet we spend seven books wondering how could we possibly find and root out the death eaters.

3) If you wanted to do good world-building and keep a wizard-y flavor, I figure you should actually have two African wizarding schools and put them in Timbuktu or Djenné and Axum. After all, Sahelian and Ethiopian magical traditions would look at what we pale faces think of as sophisticated wizardry since our own concept of sophisticated wizardry comes out of the Greco-Roman and Arabic traditions, with some European elements for flavor. In the same way, Ethiopian and Sahelian magical traditions would come out of the Greco-Roman and Arabic traditions, with some indigenous elements for flavor. And of course, since both Greco-Roman and Arabic traditions claim Egyptian pedigree, the oldest wizarding academy in the world should very obviously be in Alexandria.

3a) Ethiopia actually has 1 and 2 Enoch in its biblical canon! And both Ethiopia and the Sahel have an ongoing manuscript tradition. You could do *so* much with a wizarding academy there.

4) I suspect that in a Timbuktu or Djenné wizarding academy, there’d be all sorts of tension with the way that several generations ago the heads of the wizarding academy cut a deal with the Europeans to maintain magical autonomy in the face of French colonization. So you probably have a lingering tension over the curriculum of Timbuktu’s school of wizardry, especially the Europeanized elements. Do they make spell-casting more efficient? Or are they simple rank colonialism?

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