Comments on: All Grasshoppers, No Ants https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 12 Aug 2015 01:33:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72932 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 01:33:20 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72932 Yes. I think that’s completely right. And the institutional elites of a previous generation simply don’t see that this is carving the living heart out of the society they claim to be stewards of.

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By: CG https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72931 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:50:11 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72931 Much of what you’re talking about has to do with the fact that people born after 1980 have yet to be “bought in” by American institutions. We’re forced to adjunct, to do temp work, to hold everything at a distance, to expect everything to be temporary – and thus never be integrated into an institution or substantially identify what’s valuable in an institution’s interests.

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By: CJS https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72916 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 03:03:17 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72916 This bears a resemblance to the progressive axis in Arnold Kling’s 3 axes model of political discourse. Here’s a post on it: http://www.stevegrossi.com/on/the-three-languages-of-politics. Not by Kling, though; curiously, I can’t find a blog post by him explaining it. The short version is that progressives speak along an “oppressor-oppressed” axis, where the ultimate victory is showing one party is being oppressed by another. I don’t particularly like or agree with that formulation of progressivism, but it does have a resemblance to the phenomenon you’re describing.

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By: David https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72915 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 03:19:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72915 great thoughts. (thanks for writing!!)

I’ve never looked at Gawker, because of their close link to the celebrity gossip culture, which holds nothing for me. But you are very much on to something with this commonality among perceived “marginal” or “outsider” status being somehow touted as strength or purity (Gawker, Reddit, Tea Party, etc), but without willingness to build or create or assume responsibility.

Is it unique to the internet?

Not the perception of marginality bringing a sense of self-righteous outsiderdom–that’s old–but rather, that this self-righteous outsiderdom can be so patently fake, because millions of people unite behind it (creating a de facto center of power)?

The only pre-internet “movement” or organization that comes to mind for me that is perpetually restless, cultivates an unending sense of persecution, an identity of outsiderdom, and unwillingness to compromise, and engages in a behind-the-scenes-manipulation-of-the-rules despite public protestations of ongoing marginality, an consistently refuses to assume responsibility,
is fascism.

So is the internet inherently fascist?

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By: No one https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72914 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 05:19:54 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72914 Tim–long time reader, first time commenter. God, completely agree with this. I wonder if you’ve read Hugh Heclo’s ‘thinking institutionally’? He’s making a similar point: that to argue for anything long term, anything institutional, is increasingly difficult; and so he tries to point out, as you say, that being (self-)bound by institutions is what gives our lives meaning.

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By: Gardner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72913 Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:39:42 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72913 Poignantly analyzed and expressed.

The real gut-punch for me is that substituting “higher education” or “the academy” or (most painful of all) “university faculty” for “Gawker” yields much the same results. When that burns down, I fear a cold long dark night ahead. I’m not optimistic about our chances for rebuilding. But I am optimistic–I find I must be–about education.

Thanks.

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By: Nancy Lebovitz https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72911 Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:03:01 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72911 One more example of “punching up” which turned out to just be punching.

http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/

Thanks for writing this– it solidified the idea that it’s very convenient to define oneself as having so little power as to have no responsibility.

I think part of what’s going on is a long revolt against the idea that people are stuck with unchosen responsibilities that require not caring about what they want. So, eventually you get people saying “I want what I want! Back off!”

Unfortunately, reversing a bad idea doesn’t necessarily get you a good idea.

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By: Russell Arben Fox https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2015/07/20/all-grasshoppers-no-ants/comment-page-1/#comment-72910 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:04:16 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2843#comment-72910 Again, brilliant. Thank you, Timothy.

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