Comments on: Yesterday, All Our MOOC Troubles Seemed So Far Away https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/12/19/yesterday-all-our-mooc-troubles-seemed-so-far-away/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:29:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Matt G https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/12/19/yesterday-all-our-mooc-troubles-seemed-so-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-72514 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:29:33 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2485#comment-72514 Craig Mundie (one of the authors of the PCAST report) gave the keynote address at a computer science education conference I attended several years ago. The talk focused on a Microsoft effort to produce humanoid robots that would greet visitors to buildings on the Redmond campus (the problem was that visitors wasted a few minutes having to check-in at a main desk). If Mundie had broader applications in mind, they weren’t discussed. It was a vision of the future I found shockingly unimaginative.

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By: Kevin Werbach https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/12/19/yesterday-all-our-mooc-troubles-seemed-so-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-72513 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:05:46 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2485#comment-72513 I agree the big issue for higher ed is public vs. private goods, and as I acknowledged, PCAST missed an opportunity to take a stand. (Or perhaps you’re right, they never saw the opportunity to begin with.) Sadly, as a nation we’ve pretty much already made the decision there.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/12/19/yesterday-all-our-mooc-troubles-seemed-so-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-72512 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:35:41 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2485#comment-72512 Kevin, I think the tone is set right in the summary: “Let market forces decide which innovations in online teaching and learning are best.”

I get that this is an attempt to head off accrediting agencies stepping in to set standards, but there is a third way that doesn’t even seem to occur to PCAST, in part because it also doesn’t occur to the Administration’s current Education Secretary: that higher education is best approached as a public, not market-driven, good and that decisions should follow from that insight.

But once you get to the letter, it leads with the MOOCs = efficiency gains and cost reductions. Other possibilities get mentioned here and there, but that’s the big frame it offers. This is precisely what was pernicious about the craze for MOOCs a year ago,
and what is pernicious in general about one kind of address to the issues around higher education.

Cost reductions from technology use, if they come, are best seen as Christmas presents, unexpected positive additions. When the first and last rationale of technological innovation is to save money, not only does that sideline all the really transformative uses that do not save money, it tends to produce a drive towards cost reduction that continues whether or not the technology worked.

The letter is not just stuck in the discussion of a year ago. It is giving too much of an endorsement to the wrong kind of interest in MOOCs and would have been doing so if it had come out last year.

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By: Kevin Werbach https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/12/19/yesterday-all-our-mooc-troubles-seemed-so-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-72511 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:53:47 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2485#comment-72511 Tim, where in the PCAST memo does it say MOOCs can “solve the problem of labor-intensivity in education” or “serve as a primary vehicle for achieving equity of access”? It talks about the failure at SJSU, and notes concerns that MOOCs will undermine good teaching, displace faculty, and de-emphasize critical thinking. It then says, “it is too early to tell whether substantial gains in the quality of instruction, access, achievement, and cost will be realized.” Doesn’t sound like the document you described.

The memo has plenty of problems. You’re right that it doesn’t capture the evolution of the debate over the past year, and while it recognizes that nothing in MOOCs is fundamentally new, it fails to acknowledge the cMOOC precedents. And I wish that, in addition to recognizing that there will be multiple forms of MOOCs with different price points, it had expressed a preference for openness and affordability. That’s an important area where the government should put a thumb on the scale, lest we recreate the obscene oligopolies of textbooks and academic journal publishing. Overall, though, it’s primarily a call for more research, and more sharing of research about MOOCs. That’s a good thing, no?

Your worries about MOOCs, and your points about the other directions they could go, are valid. I just hate to see MOOC skeptics make the same kinds of generalizations that they rightly criticize from the MOOC boosters.

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By: Jerry Hamrick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/12/19/yesterday-all-our-mooc-troubles-seemed-so-far-away/comment-page-1/#comment-72510 Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:02:42 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2485#comment-72510 Another good one, Professor! The hits just keep on coming.

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