Comments on: The Codes of the Political Class https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:43:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Barry https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71743 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:43:25 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71743 Tim: “This is not ideology we are seeing: it is consciousness, a shared imaginary that is both the literal product of overlapping social worlds and evidence of an increasing isolation of the American political class from wider social and cultural networks (both national and otherwise). ”

I would say that this is ideology; it’s successful ideology, where a group no longer has to consciously maintain it.

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By: Rocco DiStreitlmahn https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71678 Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:46:19 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71678 See also here as well: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000991.html

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By: Rocco DiStreitlmahn https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71677 Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:35:16 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71677 While I agree that it is a politically motivated circumlocution, “the military intervention that deposed Mr. Morsi” is NOT an example of a passive voice construction. Language Log has been over this time and time again: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2922.

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By: Seth Green https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71569 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:19:53 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71569 Yeah, the passive voice/party line language is clearly there, and I didn’t pay attention to it until I read this. Does the editing mean something? Could the Times’s editors have read recent criticisms and decided to move towards more “call a spade a spade” phrasing?

It seems possible that they have enough sense of history to have caught that tendency and tried to correct for it.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71534 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:01:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71534 If you want some archaeological remnants of similar constructions there, try:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/latest-updates-on-egypts-transition-2/

Also, the Ben Hubbard article linked here is still summarized with the phrase that now does not appear in the article body any longer (“The size of the protests underlined the large section of society that has rejected the military intervention that deposed President Mohamed Morsi.”) in various aggregation pages within the Times site. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/mohamed_morsi/index.html or http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/m/muslim_brotherhood_egypt/index.html for example.)

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71532 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:52:41 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71532 It’s definitely been edited.

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By: Seth Green https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71531 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:47:14 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71531 Hi Professor Burke, the words you’ve quoted from the NYT don’t appear anywhere in the article you’ve linked to — it might have been subsequently edited. As of now, the word deposed occurs 0 times and the word coup comes up twice.

The general point is well taken though.

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By: Withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71528 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:00:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71528 Your examples are all from the left; this gives ideological charge to your analysis of consciousness–which you could remove by the relatively simple tack of providing an example from the right.

But your choice of examples also avoids one of the contentions of the critique from the right: that the shared consciousness (=ideology) is not only that of a narrow political and journalistic elite, but also of a larger liberal social elite–which includes, you know, academics and You. Let us take for granted that I can cite a whole range of examples from the Culture War, where I think your language and your silences indicate your shared consciousness with this governing elite, and that the debate about the substance of those issues would be repetitive and obnoxious. (Or, alternately, if you prefer, your shared consciousness with a radical grouping a slight distance from the governing elite on at least some issues of significance.) You ought, however, to consider this critique as you make your own, and to articulate an acknowledgment of it; self-consciousness on this issue preferable to unconsciousness.

On the meta-level, I think you frame this as the Insight of a Virtuous Outsider, Critique Reliable because not Complicit. I would avoid this, because I take this sort of critique to be more effective when it involves self-critique–self-situation within the Fallen World, rather than a claim to Authority by dint of Saintly Insight. If it truly isn’t an ideological critique, than it is one which ought to implicate you in the general trends of human nature–and if it doesn’t, then it is a claim to a Higher Consciousness on your behalf, not shared by humanity at large. This is a self-regard I think you do not mean to embrace; hence I would recommend an alternate rhetorical mode.

We are all fireflies, save Winston Churchill, who was a glow-worm.

(I know that I’ve said similar things before. On some level, I suppose it’s trivial. And yet, and yet, it still seems important to say, since skipping the articulation of this sort of self-consciousness does lead, it seems to me, to a rather pernicious self-regard, and, consequently, self assurance. You’ve spoken on occasion of the need for a variety of modesties, in epistemology and policy; what I natter on about is what I take to be a complementarily modest mode of approach to the world.)

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71515 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:17:09 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71515 As I said, the phenomenon isn’t ideology, it’s consciousness. Though ideological actors who are aware of it can exploit it by working the discursive ecology inside Washington so that various things happening in the world end up being described in deferred or displaced ways in the press to the advantage of some ideology or another.

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By: Withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/07/12/the-codes-of-the-political-class/comment-page-1/#comment-71505 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:42:20 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2392#comment-71505 The critique is made from the right as well as from the left.

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