Comments on: The Humane Digital https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/05/03/the-humane-digital/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 10 May 2013 19:09:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: NickS https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/05/03/the-humane-digital/comment-page-1/#comment-67623 Sun, 05 May 2013 21:39:43 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2318#comment-67623 I’ve been thinking about this post since you put it up, and I feel like I still haven’t fully digested it. I think the question that you open with, “With what do they disagree? (And thus, who are they that disagree?)” is an excellent one, but your answer doesn’t feel completely satisfying, and I’m not sure why. So, a couple of attempts at trying to figure out what seems to be missing to me:

1) I do appreciate your continued belief that the digital is an important domain for the 21st century humanities. That is my intuition as well (not surprising, perhaps, since, I’m trying to work through the question in a blog comment).

2) I understand why you were inclined to bracket out the culture war, but I think this description is missing the importance of politics. Take, for example, the arguments made about inequality in a book like The Spirit Level. I find it convincing that a key insight of the humanities is that people are affected by relative as well as absolute resources available to them. That’s an inherently political belief.

3) That said, it’s tempting to tilt the scales, and to classify, more or less, everything that’s good in life as “humane” and defining the opposing point of view as, “anti-humane” pushes in that direction. I would think that it’s worth identifying the issues in which the ideal outcome requires a dialectic between the humane and it’s opponents.

4) It also feels like what you’ve written edges in the direction of identifying the humane with decentralized [knowledge/decision making /culture] and the anti-humane as the forces of centralization / standardization / Taylorization. That seems like an easy mind-set to fall into, but it also puts the humanities in the position of, “[standing] athwart history, yelling Stop.” Is there a way to articulate the idea that it is humane to automate whatever can be automated without doing a disservice to human experience, and to know when to limit automation?

As is clear, I don’t disagree with the position you’ve taken, I just want to feel around and try to figure out where the edges are — and what happens at those edges.

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By: Eugene Marshall https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/05/03/the-humane-digital/comment-page-1/#comment-67576 Sat, 04 May 2013 11:50:25 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2318#comment-67576 Thanks for this post.

Would you take ‘humane’ in this context to be a synonym for ‘anti-reductive’? Or a neighbor, perhaps?

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By: Laura https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/05/03/the-humane-digital/comment-page-1/#comment-67513 Fri, 03 May 2013 19:59:56 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2318#comment-67513 You’ve probably seen this, but what you say here made me think of the TED talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/kevin_slavin_how_algorithms_shape_our_world.html The basic argument is that algorithms are kind of stupid, and yet we trust them because hey, they’re smarter than people, right? Um, no. Or I guess, depends on how you define smart. I gave a presentation today, and I was asked the question, “Can you talk about the relationship between computing and the humanities?” Very good question. And I gave the stupidest answer because I went right to what was easy: using computing to help us analyze events, text, etc. or to create art. But when I usually talk about why I, as a humanities-trained person, went into computing, I explain that computing needs the perspective of the humanities. Too many people without any training in what you call the humane are creating the tools that we use to live our lives. Unlike someone with a humanities background, they don’t think about the unintended consequences of what they’re creating. We can blame the very basics of poorly created interfaces, but we can also look at many of the things you just mentioned. Data doesn’t tell us everything without having some smart people think about it, even if a computer has done the number crunching.

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