Comments on: On the Clery Act Complaint https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Tue, 07 May 2013 14:29:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Chris Segal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-67694 Tue, 07 May 2013 14:29:28 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-67694 Tim, thanks for the thoughtful treatment of such a difficult issue. (As you can see, I’m a bit behind on my blog reading!)

I was interested to read alkali’s comment because it speaks to something I was thinking about from the very first comments, when some commenters (who may or may not be current students, I don’t know) seemed to object to your concern about litigation and/or your failure to advocate a process that would unequivocally support complainants/victims/survivors.

I think that the threat of litigation is both real and serious, but I understand why it would seem like no big deal, especially to a student. Swarthmore may be rich by the standards of liberal arts colleges, and may seem timeless and quite secure, but faculty and administrators understand that the dollars on the bottom line are extremely tight and will remain extremely tight.

I don’t think the parallels alkali draws to Rutgers or Penn State are quite apropos. The described situations are two-step: first there was a horrible abusive person in a position of power he should not have been in and then there was legal and PR fallout. And of course a focus on the legal fallout would overlook the PR fallout. The discussion here, in contrast, does not address the PR fallout because the PR fallout is intrinsically connected to the first bad act, hiring and (even worse) then protecting an abusive person. Proper procedures such as the ones Tim is trying to zero in on (and articulating the difficulty of realizing) would largely immunize the school from PR fallout. But they wouldn’t immunize the school from legal fallout, because all you need to create legal fallout is a grudge and a lawyer. Hence, legal liability is a very real issue to consider in trying to develop the “right” sort of system.

In the end, I think Tim and alkali are on the same page though. Tim’s point is that if we try to develop a system that is perfectly fair to everyone it will be slow and expensive, and if we create a system that delivers “justice” to complainants/victims/survivors in a more timely fashion, there will be other liability. The call to see what an outside review might do is a logical outcome: an admission that the system will remain imperfect and messy, but that we can probably improve on it in nonetheless significant ways.

For his or her part, alkali says we should seek a “course of action [that] would best serve the institution, its community, and its values.” I would offer “there is that of God in everyone” and suggest that whatever process is settled on, there should be the option of restorative / truth and reconciliation practices included on some level. As Tucker Reed wrote, she and her rapist were part of the same society.

]]>
By: Nord https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-67245 Wed, 01 May 2013 18:51:41 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-67245 Brown’s disaster should be a warning for those who want speed at the expense of due process or justice:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/15student.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

]]>
By: Hope Brinn '15 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66550 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:01:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66550 Then, K, you clearly do not understand the nature of trauma.

]]>
By: K https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66548 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 01:41:06 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66548 Ms. Brinn,
Your reference to being hit by a car is non-analogous in a number of ways.
If someone is hit by a car there is incontrovertible physical evidence of the impact in almost all cases and therefore clearly the person was hit by a car. In most of the cases being brought before college tribunals there is no physical evidence since the accuser has not made use of a rape kit.
Additionally, the proof of the crime resulting from someone hitting another with a car requires a totally different standard of mens rea. Further making your example non analogous.
Words have meaning. To actively use the word victim implies that an actionable offense occurred before the matter has been adjudicated. The presumption of innocence is a founding principle of this country and it can be a slippery slope to start denying this right to the accused.
You state:
“To address the police issue again, please know that under Title IX, federal government explicitly stated that colleges and universities are required to investigate all claims of sexual assault even if the police are also handling it. And let’s not forget that one of the allegations against the college is that they specifically discourage and prevent students from reporting these crimes to the police.”
Most persons informed on this issue well know that under Title IX these things are required (under pain of institutions loosing all federal funding). That however, prevents no one from reporting a crime to the police when they believe a crime has been committed. This is not an either or situation. An accuser can proceed with both remedies or either or none.
Even if the allegation regarding the college’s agents discouraging students from reporting these alleged crimes is true, I would hope that, particularly given the extraordinary nature of Swarthmore students, Swarthmore students would have the wherewithal to recognize that if a crime was committed it should be reported to the police.

]]>
By: Hope Brinn '15 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66341 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:02:53 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66341 K, I take issue with a couple of points you made.

First, you say that it’s inappropriate to address survivors as victims in this post because it presumes guilt. What do we call the victims of a shooting? Victims. Even though we haven’t proven anything. What do we call someone who was hit by a car? A victim. Even before anyone has gone to court. It’s not presuming guilt. It’s our vernacular. Further, given that college students believe 54% of sexual assault claims are fabricated even though only 2-8% really are, I think we can safely say that presumption of guilt hasn’t been the pressing issue here.

To address the police issue again, please know that under Title IX, federal government explicitly stated that colleges and universities are required to investigate all claims of sexual assault even if the police are also handling it. And let’s not forget that one of the allegations against the college is that they specifically discourage and prevent students from reporting these crimes to the police.

]]>
By: K https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66325 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:06:26 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66325 Thank you for taking the time to explore the many issues presented by the Clery Act, Titile IX and the 2011 Dear Colleague Letter.
I find it disturbing that you refer to the claimants as victims before any adjudication of the matter. Even under the disturbingly low standard (one I anticipate eventually being over ruled by the Holy Cross case presently moving through the federal court system) required by the “Dear Colleague” letter, the accused still has some minimal rights including the presumption of innocence.
Additionally, some of the rulings subsequent to the “Dear Colleague” letter appear to be saying that a very minimal amount of alcohol consumed by the alleged victim means the alleged victim cannot consent. Under these circumstances, asking about alcohol consumption can resolve the adjudication in favor of the accuser. The alleged victims alcohol consumption is most relevant and may be conclusive .
Rape is a crime. If a student has been raped the crime should be reported to the police.
Thank you for attempting to provide a venue for productive and tolerant conversation on the Swarthmore campus.

]]>
By: alkali https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66316 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:33:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66316 … the standards for a finding of assault in an internal procedure would have to be high enough to withstand scrutiny in a civil proceeding and also … they probably ought to be …

To focus on one narrow part of this thoughtful post: discussions of how institutions ought to conduct themselves should not fall into the trap of what ought to be done to avoid lawsuits against the institution. Addressing an issue in that way suggests that the issue may be resolved by recourse to an external and objectively discernible legal standard, which is rarely the case. When institutions take actions that will have serious consequences for particular individuals, the possibility that those individuals will initiate lawsuits is always present, and the legal questions that such lawsuits raise (and how courts will resolve those questions) can rarely be fully anticipated in advance. It is almost always better to put questions of potential liability on the back burner and focus instead on what course of action would best serve the institution, its community, and its values.

By way of example, the Rutgers men’s basketball coach was recently fired after it had come to light that the coach had treated players abusively, including using homophobic and misogynstic epithets and hurling basketballs at the backs of their heads. The university hired a law firm to do an exhaustive examination of whether that conduct might expose the university to a lawsuit, and particularly an antidiscrimination lawsuit. When those allegations became public, it was obvious that that focus on potential liability was too narrow, because it failed to address the more central question of Rutgers ought to have a coach who routinely assaults players. Likewise, I understand that the administrators at Penn State were similarly highly focused on concerns about lawsuits, with even more catastrophic results.

]]>
By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66220 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:12:30 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66220 We don’t have very good models either inside higher education or in the wider world for an investigative process that isn’t adversarial or interrogatory. We don’t have a good vocabulary for being “fair” that doesn’t refer back to some kind of disinterestedness about outcomes. This is what has kept this kind of process from being supportive to survivors–that the default understanding of “fair” has meant “show no favoritism towards anyone” and “interrogate everything”. There are models for qualitative inquiry that try to understand every event and person sensitively but they’re generally not used to produce definitive findings in a quasi-legal process. For example, an anthropologist can come into a fieldsite already knowing a lot about power, identity, material life, etc., and yet be scrupulously interested in learning new and unexpected things about people and events in that place. A novelist can be quite insightfully “fair” in a “lightly fictionalized” account of real events. But we don’t really have any institutions that ask anthropologists or novelists to render legal judgments using their craft.

]]>
By: On the external legal point https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66217 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:18:57 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66217 Prof. Burke makes a good point that the decisions of the college ought to withhold to external standards to prevent the assailant from suing. But, of course, a reasonable legal standard (I’m not terribly familiar with the differences between them) needs to be applied in a CJC case not just to prevent being sued, but so that both sides have a fair trial. I’m aware that at the moment, these trials are systematically biased towards the perpetrator – but that doesn’t mean we should forget the rights of the perpetrator to a fair trial altogether. So a reasonable legal standard is also important in of itself (forgetting being sued).

]]>
By: Hope Brinn '15 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/04/26/on-the-clery-act-complaint/comment-page-1/#comment-66215 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:53:27 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2313#comment-66215 “Swarthmore, hopefully, aspires to do what is best for its students, not solely what is mandated by federal law. Under federal law, Swarthmore could (I think) pass all rape complaints on to local/state/federal authorities and wash its hands of the whole matter, which it clearly chooses not to do.”

This is a little beside the point but that’s actually not true. The US Department of Education says “A criminal investigation into allegations of sexual harassment or sexual violence does not relive the school of its duty under Title IX to resolve complaints promptly and equitably.”

Totally possible that I’m misinterpreting this, but I think it’s saying that all colleges and universities do have to use their own processes and cannot simply wash their hands of the matter by turning the issue over to the authorities.

]]>