Comments on: “Our Rate Even for Original, Reported Stories is $100″ https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:06:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53665 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:06:13 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53665 Yeah, the pushback mentioned in the article that Laura linked to centers on the accusation that Thayer is being a bully to a young, very junior journalist who is just doing her job. Which is of course how most hierarchical organizations are designed, quite on purpose: the contact people, the sales staff, and so on are the young and vulnerable, three or four levels of insulation away from where decisions are made and policies are set, so that if you’re not happy about something, there’s no one available to you but innocent cannon fodder.

I would say that even if you’re in the position of someone like Olga Khazan, the five minutes it takes to find out who you’re sending the query to makes all the difference in the world. I’ve had plenty of requests to republish blog writing over the years, and since unlike Thayer it’s not what puts food on my table, I’m often willing to consider doing it for free or for very little. But if the person asking doesn’t seem to know anything about me, about this blog, or about the range of things I write about, that query is going straight into the trash, or if it’s really an egregious kind of aggregator or IP troll, maybe it’ll even irk me enough to warrant a “under no circumstances” reply.

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By: Jenn https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53664 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:52:34 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53664 I feel for the 2011 editor because the web-forward or most junior people often get the directive from above to send that kind of email — I certainly have during the course of my career; I’m a web editor for a brand that includes a print arm — under the theory that the senior editors who actually might have good budget to assign real stories and need their contacts happy are not going to sully their hands with it, but the web/junior/smallest desk editor “might as well ask” and see what they can get for free. So go do that if you would like to keep working here.

I have spent entire weeks sending mail like that to people I admire and respect that made me go home and have a double scotch. That said, I did learn not to be so embarrassed as to talk on the phone because then they can /hear/ the dismay in my voice.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53659 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:46:54 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53659 The interesting thing that’s as much at stake in the Nate Thayer case is respect–clearly he was really pissed off because he’s been doing this for 25 years and an editor who is a 2011 MA in online journalism couldn’t be bothered enough to show him an extra degree of courtesy or even to know who she was talking to–that’s why the “well, it’s exposure” line nettled him so much, I suspect.

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By: Laura https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53658 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:38:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53658 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/03/05/the-problem-with-online-freelance-journalism/

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By: Laura https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53657 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:28:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53657 Yes, the Atlantic ran out of money for freelance writers in February. I know all about it. The dude in question does sound a little unhinged though. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/03/nate-thayer-vs-the-atlantic-writing-for-free.html

What’s really undermining the content providers isn’t the average blogger, like you and me. It’s super young writers who work insane hours. Also, it’s people with other types of income streams, like academics, policy directors, and other experts, who really do have interesting things to say and are happy to find a place for their ideas somewhere. They write one or two articles to get attention to their issues or their groups or promote their “brand.” Instead of money, they take exposure.

There is an endless supply of smart people writing good stuff who will happily work for free. There is actually too much good content out there.

My best friend is a freelance editor and she’s run into the same problem on her end. She’s competing for jobs with people who work for free.

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By: David Chudzicki https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53445 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 05:42:45 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53445 Leo, I dunno– If we had disposable income for music, movies, TV, books, etc. but not online journalism, wouldn’t that say more about our relationship with online journalism than abouthow much disposable income we have?

Maybe the right distribution system will make all the difference (as it did with the transition to iTunes, Netflix, etc.).

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53424 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:04:52 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53424 Yeah, that is also a big issue that very rarely figures in any of these discussions. Back when the RIAA/Napster struggle was at its hottest, I was always a little surprised that nobody seemed to be asking whether it was possible that at least some consumers just had decided to take what disposable income they had available for cultural consumption and put it into other media on the grounds that they had big enough music catalogs. Post 2002 and income inequality + the growth of the media services bills makes that a much more obvious issue.

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By: Leo https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2013/03/05/our-rate-even-for-original-reported-stories-is-100/comment-page-1/#comment-53415 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 01:26:41 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2281#comment-53415 It would help too if media consumers actually had disposable income to throw at worthwhile media endeavors. I’m a bit split on whether it’s a matter of declining real incomes, or the fact that our entire discretionary media budgets are blown on just maintaining internet, TV, and cell service. A bit of both probably, but in what proportion I don’t know.

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