Comments on: On Swarthmore’s Sorority https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:41:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-15313 Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:41:22 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-15313 What belongs is whatever we have. If you’re serious about diversity as a commitment, that’s what you have to at minimum accept and ideally even embrace. It’s not for you or me or anyone else–even at the “institutional level”–to decide what belongs and what doesn’t and enforce that decision. The most you can do is argue culturally against a group or subculture that you don’t like and hope your arguments are persuasive to them such that they change or disband. Making those arguments strictly in terms of your own privileged frames of reference and political commitments strikes me as a waste of time if you’re serious about the outcome.

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By: TM https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-15204 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 01:38:40 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-15204 Hey, Fraternity Member. You’re right that there’s not a significant difference, and I don’t particularly like it. But there’s two reasons that the gendering in sports is unavoidable, at least for the moment. No. 1: athletics involve people who aren’t part of this community and who understand gender differently. We’ve definitely encountered and socialed with players from other teams who treat women (and presumably gender-queer people) differently than we do or try to do. I suppose I’m saying it’s not our immediate responsibility to change people’s understanding of gender outside this community, but that we should have a higher standard in this one. No. 2: the average size of a player on our team is larger than the average size of a player on the women’s team, and I don’t think any of us are about to suggest we start hitting them. That’s a problem that I don’t know how to get around. There are individuals in the world at large who question the role gender plays in sports. Caster Semenya from South Africa. SI also published a pretty solid article on trans athletes in May (though it did assume trans means a one-to-one transition). So I don’t know how to solve that. I don’t know that Greek life has the same compelling reasons for making distinctions based on binary genders, or if it’s integral to forming social connections, or what. I could be wrong. But either way, the Greek system at Swat definitely leaves out those who don’t identify as a part of a binary gender, and possibly those who nominally identify as part of a binary gender but don’t express that gender normatively. The same statements might apply to rugby too, though.

And maybe Prof. Burke is right in that this community should respect the bonds y’all have made on faith. I could be very, very wrong. If that’s the case, everyone should let you all be. But he also says that with reference to “the level of which [groups] deserved institutional funding, recognition or acceptance.” I am very far from the institutional level, and so are other students. At the moment, I’m torn between respecting the community that fraternities build among themselves and questioning what kind of spaces–especially identity-based spaces–belong in a community like Swarthmore.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14775 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:06:31 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14775 I think the discussion is good, and I won’t get in the way of it too much. I think it’s exactly what ought to be happening.

My one intervention is this: Swarthmore is exclusive. Anyone who has such an intense allergy to exclusivity that they cannot bear any association with it should not spend too much time worrying about the fraternities and should spend more time questioning whether the basic idea of selective higher education is legitimate. We even partner with an institution (Bryn Mawr) that is exclusive both in its admissions in general and on a gender-specific but non-ideological basis.

If I were to somewhat cynically design a narrative for the existing fraternities that explained that they were exploring forms of traditional homosociality connected to conviviality, athleticism and invented kinship, what would happen to the argument that some groups are entitled to their exclusivity because of its content and others are not? The only way you could possibly distinguish between the two at the level of which deserved institutional funding, recognition or acceptance is to create some kind of hermeneutical truth-squad that would parse every group’s narrative and every group’s actual praxis against some standard of legitimate exclusivity.

The safer thing by far is to say, “These are the people that I have to make some kind of relationship to in the next four years. Let’s see how it goes.” If you come to the conclusion that bright, ambitious people your age who otherwise met the criteria for admission to Swarthmore College are so utterly intolerable to you–or intolerant towards you–that you can reach no accommodation with them even with the passively supportive infrastructure of the college’s curriculum and residential life system, you have found out something very important about the political and social challenge ahead of you. Some students may feel that they already know at 18 as much as they care to know about the exclusions, discriminations and hatred ahead, and would like a surcease from those. I think that’s legitimate too, but if that’s all that Swarthmore was asking or affording–four years of perfected exclusion of any kind of ‘difference’ that rubs raw against our deepest hopes–I’m not sure it’s much of an education. Education, after all, can’t ever get away from being about transformation.

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By: Fraternity Member https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14773 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:39:48 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14773 in reply to nord and dave, if someone is interested in joining a frat, they will be accepted as long as they aren’t huge assholes. Even when a prospective pledge (rush) is a little rough around the edges, if we think they have room to grow into a mature individual, we’ll give them a chance.

in reply to lobster, i think frats must have been different in your day because homophobia is absolutely NOT tolerated by either frat.

your claim that swat “funds” us is also pretty dubious. we pay for the house. it ain’t cheap. however, if a brother can’t pay his dues, the frat will accept him anyway. i know, i’ve been that brother (i’ve since gotten a campus job and can pay my dues). i’m curious as to what other student group would be willing to pay out of pocket every week for beer that is free for the rest of campus to drink. i have yet to be to another groups party that is not sac funded where i haven’t had to pay for alcohol.

you can call the frats exclusionary, but they are probably the least exclusionary student groups on campus when you think about it. our house is open as a social space on thursday, friday and saturday nights to the ENTIRE SCHOOL and the rest of the week is spent cleaning it for the next weekend. we are also busy swatties, we don’t really spend time there basking in the glory of having a house. we’re too busy mopping up stale beer and cigarette butts before heading right back up to mccabe, or cornell in my case.

im a little offended by your claim that the frats are a way for us to hold onto some social status that swarthmore won’t afford us. it’s just not like that. in reality, we value our brotherhood. we also value swarthmore. it’s not that way for all of us, but if you want to generalize us, that’s the most accurate generalization i’ve got.

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By: Nord https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14721 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:01:01 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14721 What western dave said … and this is the 1990s speaking. I wasn’t in the frat crowd, and have some sympathy for lobsta, but at least among my peers, there was a fair amount of jealousy that at least the frats organized parties, whatever one thought of the parties or the frat members. That lack of alternatives was not due to a lack of funding, space, or other institutional resources, but rather the fact that the frats could force people to sign up and host, advertise, and run one of the parties. I hosted one, once, in Wharton, and it was a PITA, between setting up and cleaning up … never again. The other social organizations tried, but most could only manage one party a year.

All that being said, despite never being close to any frat guys, I ended up going to grad school with one and regretted not knowing him better at swat …

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By: Western Dave https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14719 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:46:14 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14719 I hate to be naive here, but has anybody pledged a frat and been turned down at Swat in the last couple of decades? In the 80s, when I was a student, they were as hurting for warm bodies as any other group.

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By: Lobster https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14717 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:28:34 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14717 The people I knew who hung out at the frat house were pretty open about the fact that they didn’t enjoy the broader Swarthmore culture. Some of them got bad information when they applied; for others, Swat was the highest-ranked school they got in to. I don’t find it surprising or weird that people surrounded by a culture they find alien would look to establish an outpost of the familiar, in which their sense of their own social priorities and status could survive. Isn’t that what expats do?

Mostly, I object to having an exclusionary organization with college subsidies. I’m not suggesting that we ban a culture, but there are no other exclusionary social groups at Swarthmore with buildings, funding, and campus recognition. The exclusion is an inescapable part of the way fraternities and sororities operate, and seems to me pretty counter to the broader ethos of Swarthmore. For what it’s worth, an acquaintance organized a large but socially exclusionary event my senior year with an aesthetic I enjoyed more. I’d advance the same objections to making that a campus-funded event. Basically, I think that any campus-funded membership organization that wants to explicitly exclude students should have a good reason and good criteria. What does that look like for Greek organizations? Why can some people join, and others can’t?

I’m sure there are lovely people in the frats. I still found the organizations a pretty toxic contribution to campus social life. The Wesleyan brothers may not have done anything to you, but the Swarthmore ones periodically (a few times a year) showed up at queer-affiliated parties and made homophobic remarks. Maybe that no longer happens — queer politics have moved a lot in the last 10 years — but it was pretty unpleasant. I’m sure that some of the same issues would exist if you got rid of the Greek system entirely, but it’s hard for me to see how providing a formal, named, funded organization would make it better.

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By: Fraternity Member https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14661 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:42:44 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14661 Hi TM, I’m confused, how is gendered Greek life “institutionalized cis-privilege” while the gendered rugby team you play for isn’t? This isn’t a rhetorical question, I genuinely don’t understand the difference and need it explained to me.

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By: joshua buhs https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14502 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:42:40 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14502 Totally. I don’t mean to say that frats are as bad as Violentacrez, although that could be read out of what I wrote. Only that the creation of community, including how to deal with those whom we may not want in the community but are nonetheless apart of it, is a theme in both stories.

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By: TM https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/10/12/on-swarthmores-sorority/comment-page-1/#comment-14498 Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:10:56 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2128#comment-14498 What’s really amazing to me about the uproar over the uproar over sororities at Swarthmore is what’s missing from the discourse. I do think that there’s a reason to oppose Greek life at Swarthmore, at least as it is/is going to be implemented. I don’t think there’s anything essentially wrong with Greek life, but if the Swarthmore student body is trying to empathize with everyone in this community (or everyone that might be in this community), then I think we can say that we shouldn’t have gendered Greek life. The fraternities and the future sorority can work against racism, sexism, homophobia, sexual harassment, and any “social ills” that might occur in that space, but they can’t change the fact that they’re exclusive based on gender identity. In order to have a closed/exclusive/”open to all X-identifying students” group, the students who wish to form that group ought to offer a salient reason why membership in the group depends on a shared social identity. (I’m making the assumption that groups that are arbitrarily closed based on a social identity don’t belong in a community that wants to be equitable, and that Swarthmore is such a community. If anyone thinks these aren’t good assumptions, I’m interested in hearing about that.) Swarthmore has several groups that are open only to X-identifying students. Most of these are groups engaged in anti-oppressive work, and many of those are based on identification with a marginalized group (SAO, SQU, Enlace, etc.). I’ve definitely heard students have to explain to other students why these groups are only open to students with a certain identity, but I’ve never heard anyone explain why the frats are the same way. And I haven’t heard an explanation for why the sorority will be the same way, except for the Title IX argument (which is fair, certainly, if we have fraternities).

Groups that are closed based on a social identity tend strongly to reinforce that identity in its members. Having attended an all-male high school in a very gendered community, I’ve seen how all-male communities can reinforce normative performance of masculinity. As a member of Swat’s men’s rugby team–a group that’s far more self-aware about its masculinity than my high school–I continue to see that trend. (I’m not sure how to confront gendering in athletics. My best temporary answer is to say that solidarity between the men’s and women’s teams will help, but that’s certainly an imperfect response.) Groups like SQU and Enlace also reinforce identities–but in their case, that reinforcement is part of their anti-oppressive work, because they celebrate identities that are marginalized elsewhere. Fraternities and sororities reinforce masculine and feminine identities, respectively–and, I would venture to assert, extremely normative expression of those identities. Therefore, a gendered Greek system reproduces the gender binary and celebrates cis privilege in a way that the future sorority’s insistence that all female-identifying students can join cannot fully answer. It ignores the possibility of androgyny, gender-neutrality, and gender ambiguity, and at least by appearances, it does not welcome non-normative performances of binary genders. And if we are trying to empathize with all students in the community, or all students who may be part of the community in the future, we can imagine a student who is agender, or uses they/them as their preferred gender pronoun, or is female-identified but performs masculinely, who wants the social space that Greek life offers but does not have a space for it. We might even have to admit the possibility that such students have come through Swarthmore in the past but haven’t tried to be part of Greek life because of its gender requirements. A gender-neutral Greek system could solve these problems. I don’t know of any particular reason why Greek life must be gendered, other than “that’s the way it is elsewhere, or has always been” (which is hardly ever a good reason) or “that’s what we’re comfortable with” (which is fine, but it doesn’t justify institutionalizing cis privilege). If there are other reasons, and I’m missing them, I’d like to hear them.

On that note, I hope I can say honestly that I have tried to understand and may understand why people want these organizations. Through the rugby team, I have solidarity with other students similar to what Greek organizations provide, and friendships in which shared gender sometimes plays a role. And like Chad Orzel notes above, the rugby team provides a space for the debauchery and foolishness common to people our age. That said, I’m also a straight white cis man trying to be accountable for my privilege and to envision ways in which the spaces in our community may marginalize some people. I think that institutionalizing binary gender falls within the scope of “marginalizing some people”. Also, this is really long, but I wanted to get the whole idea out.

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