Comments on: Bad Research and Informational Heresies (Draft Syllabus) https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: CarlD https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10583 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:10:00 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10583 I’m intrigued by the class concept and the reading list, but at something of a loss to comment (and it’s probably too late to do so productively anyway) because I don’t think a reading list says much useful about what a class is actually going to be. That is, a reading list, and associated assignments, are generally statements of aspiration, if not outright fantasy, in the way JOP alludes to. So some very, very bad classes can look really good on paper, and vice versa.

To me the actually critical variables are gestured at in your comments here, Tim, e.g. “Third, I do a lot of work with students in teaching them strategies of reading, in particular, a systematic practice of skimming, so I do my best to show them how to manage a reading load of this size.” Well yes, when professors have this kind of relational awareness of students and do this kind of groundwork all sorts of topics and readings can result in good classes. So only at that point do I look back at the reading list and think yeah, looks good.

I think this kind of point can be lost when one deals regularly with students who know how to learn through all kinds of bad teaching, as again you recognize. I don’t get that kind of student where I am.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10190 Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:06:28 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10190 It’s also possible sometimes that the reading itself is the issue–not that it’s too hard or too easy but somehow just doesn’t motivate the students to keep going, that it’s remote or bloodless or something of the sort. I sometimes try to find a way to give the students permission to talk about what kind of reading excites them (if any) and what doesn’t.

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By: J. Otto Pohl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10177 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:14:34 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10177 Thank you for your response. Classes here all meet once a week for two hours of lecture and then again with a TA for one hour of tutorial. I am serious about the reading as our other history lecturers here. We routinely fail students. I also assign accessible readings. Right now I am using John Tosh’s The Pursuit of History in my historiography class and Roger Gellately’s, Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler in the Age of Social Catastrophe in my World History class. I want to move up to about 100 pages a week for my classes, but the resistance by students is very strong.

I think you are right about institutional culture. Although this aversion to reading here appears to be a recent development, sometime during the 70s or 80s. There is also something about level of preparation. But, by their fourth year at what is a flagship university in the region a hundred pages a week should be routine, not something orders of magnitude to what they have been doing in previous years. Telling them that when Nkrumah was alive several hundred pages a week was the accepted norm here does not seem to be inspiring them.

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By: Alan Baumler https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10176 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:58:29 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10176 Tim,

I agree with a lot of what you say about picking readings, but one thing I have had good luck with is splitting them into common and optional readings. (So each week they read something in common and pick something from a list.) You usually have a critical mass of people in class who can talk about something (and the fact that others have not seems to sharpen their explanations.) Also, I feel less guilty about putting in things they may not like, since they don’t have to read them. When it works well it lets the students take the class in whatever direction they want.

Also, a book you may want to look at is Tong Lam, A Passion for Facts: Social Surveys and the Construction of the Chinese Nation-State, 1900-1949. University of California Press, 2011

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10173 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:23:14 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10173 Well, a couple of things. First, we’ll probably be cutting out a bit of the reading on our last pass over the weekend–that tends to be the last thing I do, because I’m always reluctant to give up stuff. Second, it’s a class that meets once a week for 3 hours, and I find that supports a different kind of reading load than classes that meet 3 or 2 times a week. Third, I do a lot of work with students in teaching them strategies of reading, in particular, a systematic practice of skimming, so I do my best to show them how to manage a reading load of this size.

I think also it takes some care in selecting readings–I do my best to create stylistic and genre contrasts within my reading, so keep it stimulating, and to avoid scholarly work that I think is excellent in its findings and craftwork but is not very accessible. Undergraduates can’t really find a point of purchase in a top-of-the-line monograph if it’s not also making some broad claims that they can work against their own experience or knowledge.

But it does come down to institutional cultures as well. We’re just fortunate here to have very serious students who remain earnestly dedicated to doing at least some of the work they’re asked to do by professors. You can’t build an institutional culture by yourself, and in some ways, even an institution can’t easily change an existing culture simply because it decides it wants to. Sometimes students are essentially calling a professor (or institution’s) bluff–knowing that they really won’t be held accountable for not doing assigned work. Also sometimes there’s a gap between what’s expected at a university and what the students are actually prepared to do, or have experienced in their past education. I think there’s no way to deal with that gap except with frankness and generosity–you have to talk about it, talk explicitly about why you want students to “jump the gap” to some new practices–you have to persuade them to do a new kind of work with a new kind of diligence, which means showing and modeling what that good outcomes of doing work that way might be (without papering over the limits).

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By: J. Otto Pohl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10168 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:02:54 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10168 This is kind of a practical question. But, how do you get students to do all that reading? I find it hard to get even 400 level students to do a mere 75 pages a week on average. I have read a number of final exams where it is obvious that the student did close to no assigned reading. Often I come to class and ask if anybody has done the mandatory weekly reading and no hands at all go up. I keep hearing the excuse that I can’t expect African students to read the same amount as elite schools in the US. But, the official language of Ghana is English and Legon used to be the best university, particularly in history, on the entire continent. So students were reading hundreds of pages a week in the 1950s and 1960s.

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By: Wes Martin https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10149 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:28:55 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10149 Today I blundered into this website. Happy to be here. I’ll be back.

I immediately thought that some of you might be interested in a book that I encountered as a young grad student at Wisconsin, in 1974: Stanislav Andreski’s Social Sciences as Sorcery. (New York: St. Martin’s, 1972).

For a good summary of its impact you might go to another person’s post: http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2010/09/andreski/

I’m grateful that you shared your syllabus. I teach poli sci at a small liberal arts college; and I have the good fortune to teach research and writing classes as a regular part of my load.

–Wes Martin, Keene State College, Keene NH wmartin@keene.edu

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By: Nancy Lebovitz https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10144 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:38:19 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10144 I’ve seen C.S. Lewis and Dorothy Sayers say (sorry, I’m not sure where) that dissertations in grad school are a bad idea– they mean that students are focusing down on detail at the age when they’d be better off reading widely.

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By: Withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10135 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 03:55:38 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10135 Grafton and Jardine, From Humanism to the Humanities
Grafton, The Footnote
Davis, Fiction in the Archives
Nietzsche, On the Use and Abuse of History for Life
Borges, Library of Babel; Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius; Death and the Compass; The Analytical Language of John Wilkins
Kipling, Dayspring Mishandled
Ernest May, Strange Victory
LeGuin, Wizard of Earthsea

For a somewhat different course, doubtless.

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By: Aaron Hertzmann https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/08/28/bad-research-and-informational-heresies-draft-syllabus/comment-page-1/#comment-10132 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:06:25 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2074#comment-10132 I loved the book _The Age of Wonder_ by Richard Holmes which told a great story, including the birth of the modern concept of the scientist. Of course, _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_ is a must (if a bit obvious).

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