Comments on: Listen Up You Primitive Screwheads https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:04:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: PQuincy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9664 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:04:28 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9664 A satisfying rant — and I can only agree on the mystery of why for-profit publishers have cornered the journals market and make a mint selling us our own volunteer work — though much more in the sciences than humanities, in truth. Most humanities journals still run on the old volunteer basis, with modest institutional support (always in greater danger), though the big ones — e.g. AHR — obviously have professionalized, though to no great value to the profession, it seems to me in that case (aside from running a lot of reviews).

But the case for self-created software environments is a little trickier. I work at a university with a great, entrepreneurial IT staff who have thrown a lot of energy into various ‘custom’ applications for administrative functions and into customizing Blackboard for our use. And though I respect and support their work, I have to say their ‘custom’ applications (for things like graduate admissions [working pretty well] and academic personnel [a wrongheaded disaster in every way]) are rarely as polished as commercial software. Designing good complex environments is really hard, and requires not only substantial resources and a long wait from investment to return, but also years of iterations that (if those doing the work are competent and properly managed) make the environment better over time.

The challenges are great. Blackboard is certainly not ideal, and their habit of changing interfaces every 3-4 years, just as 1,000s of professors had finally figured out how to use the existing interface puts them up with Microsoft on my hate-list, but on the whole, they system now is smooth and doesn’t have the quirks and balks that our homegrown software has, even at its best.

Sadly, I’m skeptical about the ability of loose, non-profit and ad hoc coalitions of complicated institutions to have both the skills, the capital and the stamina to produce high quality online systems, at least for now.

But open source journals and avoiding sharks like Elsevier, Kluwer, and Springer: absolutely! Guest editing a special issue of a journal recently with one of these companies was a nightmare, including typesetting by diligent but poorly informed Sinhalese typesetters that rendered dates as numbers. Did you know that the American Revolution began in 1,776? Oy!

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By: AcademicLurker https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9652 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:49:12 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9652 @Griffin

To second what Timothy Burke said, at least in the sciences this is a non-issue. The editing and refereeing of manuscripts is basically all done on a volunteer basis by faculty members. The only value that publishing companies added in the past was typesetting and physically printing and distributing the material, all of which required specialized equipment and skills.

Today with all of that online, the only things keeping the scientific community from going all open access tomorrow are:

1) Inertia
and
2) The fact that companies like Elsevier own vast amounts of the back catalog for many journals.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9650 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:02:48 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9650 Griffin: the quality control question is discussed a lot in the open-access movement, and at least some of it is a red herring. There’s no reason why an open-access journal can’t be a peer-reviewed journal and many are. The work of peer reviewing for journals is presently almost entirely a volunteer affair, done by professors. Most editorial boards also do their work as volunteers. So it has very few costs. What you call “luck” is already what journals have, and the entire mechanism is completely mobile to an open-access system. It’s one more case where the current situation is economically stupid to a staggering degree (e.g., we are giving away high-value volunteer labor to for-profit publishers who then charge our institutions for the volunteer work of researching, writing and peer reviewing by selling back the products of our labor to the institution).

Where journal editors are paid or peer reviewers compensated, those costs could be borne by the kind of consortia I sketch out above. Essentially a good open-access journal needs funds for: the small costs of editorial work and the larger potential costs of ensuring access, preservation, and forward migration of the publication.

The question of whether we need strong filtering systems and whether existing peer review provides that function as well as it might is a different question, though. PLoS 1, for example, is providing a successful model that pulls inanother direction. But that’s a different discussion.

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By: Griffin Olmstead https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9648 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:08:26 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9648 Hi Professor,

One comment you made about “for-profit publishers whose monopoly pricing has punched hundreds of universities in their unmentionables” (I assume you mean academic journals) caught my attention because it’s a debate that I’ve seen crop up from time to time. On face, it seems like a net benefit to education, and consistent with the philosophy of schools like Swarthmore, to have open-access academic publications. Something I’ve never seen addressed is the issue of quality control. While we’re talking about the importance of quality scholarship in education, it seems like we should be looking for more good filters rather than fewer. Even an open-access journal needs someone to do the editing, organize the peer-review, etc., and that requires funding. Some groups might get lucky and be funded by some university or philanthropist, but it seems that many others would be at risk of becoming a kind of highly intellectual crowd-sourcing. How could such a system continue to guarantee that articles in the American Historical Review, for example, are more objective and reliable than publications from the Heritage Foundation?

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By: VL https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9641 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:53:09 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9641 I just got back from a trip to D.C., where I spent a glorious day at Dumbarton Oaks. One of the plaques flanking the entrance to the gardens reads in part:

“Those responsible for scholarship at Dumbarton Oaks should remember that the Humanities cannot be fostered by confusing Instruction with Education…that gardens have their place in the Humanist order of life; and that trees are noble elements to be protected by successive generations and are not to be neglected or lightly destroyed.”

Obviously the first part of that quote is directly relevant to the discussion of MOOCs — but I include the last bit because I think nurturing a garden is a much more apt way of thinking about educating students than ‘transmitting information’ or ‘downloading data into their brains’ or whatever impoverished metaphor might be au courant these days.

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By: Contingent Cassandra https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9635 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:17:53 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9635 Oh — and as a faculty member with a 4/4 writing-intensive load, I do want my institution to provide a LMS, and tech support for said LMS. I’m somewhat IT literature, and somewhat willing to become more so, but not at the expense of the very limited time I have for research and writing (and playing around with DH tools for presenting my research in new and interesting ways). It’s also easier on the students if there’s a default system to figure out (since they’re not, as we all know, quite as tech-savvy as many assume, or at least not patient in figuring out tech when the payoff isn’t entertainment). But I’m not fond of the WebCT/Blackboard platform, and do, indeed, wish my institution had put more thought into making, and continuing to make, that purchase.

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By: Contingent Cassandra https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9634 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:10:43 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9634 I’ve been told that the one phrase one should not say in front of our online education support folks is “correspondence course.” Never mind that they (like the worst of the old-time correspondence courses, radio courses, TV courses, etc., etc.) seem almost entirely focused on content delivery, with little sense that education might also consist of developing skills, and that that requires teacher/student (and student/student) interaction around assignments. I guess it’s a case of the ghost at the banquet, or perhaps the elephant in the room.

In any case, that was a most satisfying rant, and echoes much of what I (someone who actually likes teaching online, but in an extremely interactive, labor-intensive, and hence not cheap, way) have been thinking.

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By: Withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9633 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:43:51 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9633 The implicit argument of the MOOCs is that most college education has already collapsed in quality to the point that there is no opportunity cost in adopting a MOOC model. I find this a plausible assertion. But presumably adopting a MOOC system confirms our despair that we can improve upon the current disaster.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9627 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:28:14 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9627 Oh yeah, Julian, by the way, that is indeed a diorama. Very cool dioramas in the Tokyo-Edo Museum.

I don’t think it falls to individual faculty to use Moodle or some other alternative–the point is that Blackboard has been an institutional purchase. Many IT staffs have to buy into a kind of one-size-fits-all infrastructure because faculty in general are so passive and illiterate about IT that they can’t be relied upon to seek and use tools on their own. I think you plausibly could have an IT operation at a university that took care of the root-level server and database infrastructure and then provided just-in-time support to faculty who were individually responsible for their main work toolkit (word processors, email, browsers, etc.)

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2012/07/20/listen-up-you-primitive-screwheads/comment-page-1/#comment-9626 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:22:10 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=2024#comment-9626 I think that’s right, Dominick. In fact, it’s what I’ve said here in some previous entries on MOOCs and what I said at greater length in a paper I just delivered in Japan. The previous history of distance education doesn’t make MOOCs uninteresting, nor does it demonstrate that they’re doomed to fail. But it does suggest that there are a whole host of serious challenges to any effort to democratize education via new media technologies. My ranting here is that this history, and its lessons, is being completely obscured in the current pundit-level conversation. What all the MSM pundits and reporters are focusing on is the use of MOOCs as a way to save money, which is almost certainly not what they’re going to do, unless they’re used as a crude wedge to force further adjunctification, which won’t in the end have anything to do with the technology OR the objective of democratizing or distributing higher education.

I’ve suggested in a previous entry that one great thing about MOOCs is that they are effectively a new form of publication–a much enhanced version of an “educational book”. Which, by the way, lets us think about how faculty might participate–and be given credit for participating–in a MOOC without that being a way to get uncompensated teaching work out of them.

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