Comments on: Out, Out Damned Spot https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:20:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Jerry Hamrick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-7782 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:20:17 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1678#comment-7782 Charny described the two minds, not me. And I shouldn’t have mentioned violent video games at all, I can see now. I am not asking the question personally, nor am I answering on that basis. Perhaps you are. Do you play violent video games?

My question is not a personal one. My question is one about education. How should a developing mind spend its time? Asked another way, can such a brain spend too much time on the wrong things? In other words, does the way a developing brain spends its time matter enough that we, society, should focus on that? When I was trained as a teacher a half-century ago, such a discussion was not known.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-7778 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:36:04 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1678#comment-7778 Semi-seriously, I answer: however it wants. Up to a point. I don’t really buy that there are fixed types of minds, etc in the sense that you describe. If there are, video games (or violent representations in general) don’t have much to do with their production: there have been periods in European cultural history where cultural representation was extraordinarily violent in its content that didn’t seem to be particularly given over to mass authoritarianism (in fact, arguably one of the periods where certain kinds of violent texts spread rapidly was associated with the appearance of modern democratic movements, and certain kinds of heavy bowdlerization and censoring of cultural representation, including violent content, coincides rather notably with the rise of modern fascism.)

As far as developing minds go, I think children are pretty resilient, and that violence is a pretty powerful part of their lives, even in societies with low levels of criminal or military violence. I think there are bullies in Sweden, too. Video games in particular may create a different culture than the culture of television or radio or pulp magazines or chataquas but different isn’t bad unless, again, you’re overly convinced that your personal moment in time is and must be the very best that there was or could be.

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By: Jerry Hamrick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-7777 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:24:52 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1678#comment-7777 t think that such conversions will ever have much impact upon society at large. There is no doubt that there are many humans who have fascist or tyrannical tendencies and it would take thousands of psychotherapists, working over many years, to change millions of Fascist Minds into Democratic Minds. Unless and until some fast, reliable mechanism for preventing or changing Fascist Minds can be developed we need to focus on getting it right the first time. So again, I ask, how should the developing brain spend its time?]]> The idea of retraining brains reminds me of the ideas of I. W. Charny. He is a practicing clinical psychologist, a professor of psychology and family therapy at Hebrew University of Jerusalem, executive director of the Institute on Genocide and the Holocaust in Jerusalem, and president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. In the first paragraph of the Introduction to his book “Fascism & Democracy in the Human Mind, A Bridge between Mind and Society,” he has identified two general types of human minds.

He likens their development to computer software in which we are given a certain version of mind software at birth and our life experiences act upon that original software and shape it into one of the two types of minds. Charny also asserts that psychotherapy can convert one type of human mind to another. His two types of human minds are: Fascist Mind and Democratic Mind.

Charny describes how psychotherapy can be used to convert a Fascist Mind to a Democratic Mind. I hope he is right. But even if he is, I don’t think that such conversions will ever have much impact upon society at large. There is no doubt that there are many humans who have fascist or tyrannical tendencies and it would take thousands of psychotherapists, working over many years, to change millions of Fascist Minds into Democratic Minds. Unless and until some fast, reliable mechanism for preventing or changing Fascist Minds can be developed we need to focus on getting it right the first time.

So again, I ask, how should the developing brain spend its time?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-7776 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:10:02 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1678#comment-7776 Actually there’s research showing that the brain can be retrained or reoriented to a pretty significant extent. But this question of what’s better is subject to the same kind of externalized tests. Was the world better (or human beings better) when the brains of youngsters were doing something else? Is it better where children mostly don’t play video games? Don’t really see any evidence for that–not more efficient, not more moral, not more creative. What we’re left with is people who are convinced that they personally are more moral, creative, efficient or something else because they didn’t or don’t play video games, and guessing that the world would be better if more people were just like them. This is a guess that requires extraordinary evidence, not just self-confidence.

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By: Jerry Hamrick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-7775 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:56:36 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1678#comment-7775 I wonder about “media-effects.” Not so much because I think that violent video games lead to real life violence. I have no idea if they do, but if it could be proved that they do, then there would be no debate.

But I do wonder about the investment of time. The youngster’s brain is growing and what it spends its time doing must have a effect on its growth, complexity, efficiency, whatever. So what is the best way for a growing brain to spend its time? Playing video games? or something else?

Once the brain is “grown,” it is too late to change it. There are things that just can’t be reversed and reconstructed in better ways.

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By: chris y https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2011/08/01/out-out-damned-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-7743 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:04:40 +0000 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1678#comment-7743 d get it put on my arm</i> Some years ago a Guardian TV reviewer expressed this thought as "Titus Andronicus would be a video nasty if it wasn't Eng. Lit." I'm sure you could get that on your arm.]]> If I could fit that on a tattoo, I’d get it put on my arm

Some years ago a Guardian TV reviewer expressed this thought as “Titus Andronicus would be a video nasty if it wasn’t Eng. Lit.” I’m sure you could get that on your arm.

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