Comments on: What Color Is Your Leaden Weight? https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:47:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Matt Lungerhausen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7186 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:47:23 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7186 RE: critical thinking. In my department its a kind of magical phrase. We invoke it, but its clear that we all conceive of it in different ways. I am not sure what I mean by ‘critical thinking’ anymore. I am hoping that I can teach my students to read for and recognize the arguments in their texts (primary & secondary sources). Then I’d like them to try formulating their own questions about history, and come up with some of their own answers based on those texts. But, some days I feel like I am still learning how to do this myself. But if I could get them to recognize and argument and take it apart like a clock, that would get them part way there.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7185 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:08:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7185 Yeah, I agree very much that the point is “crack the code”. I suppose what in the end I’m anxious about is that I think we don’t really do that in a very wide-ranging way, despite a lot of talk about critical thinking.

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By: Matt Lungerhausen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7184 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:25:53 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7184 I think you are right, most of the time we are not terrible explicit about how writing is going to help them at work or in their professional career(s). But I am not so sure we need to prepare them for the specific kinds of writing they encounter in the workplace.

Yes, they need to know how to write an email, a cover letter, and resume to land a job. But really what can we practically teach them after that? How many different kinds of writing are there in the world? There are probably hundreds of formats for quarterly reports, sales reports, accident investigations, or technical manuals. We could never teach all of those ways of writing, but we can teach a student how to ‘crack the code’ of a particular genre. Even more important, you can teach them it is possible to start writing when they are confronted by the blank page.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7182 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:23:45 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7182 Yes. Like I said, some sense of practicality or application is right at our fingertips already. But I’m not sure we’re even being entirely clear with our students what the actual work uses of writing are going to be–and some of what we tend to prefer in our writing isn’t necessarily the first or most likely kinds of writing that students are going to put into practice.

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By: Matt Lungerhausen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7181 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:21:59 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7181 I see what you are saying about humanities courses needing to take a more applied bent. I like the idea that learning something about a trade or craft might show students that it is ‘good to think with.’

But I am in the middle of grading ninety take home essays for my Western Civ midterms. About 20% of the students have the mechanics of writing down, and write at a fairly high level. I can teach these students how history is “good to think with.” Another 20% are basically clueless and write at a remedial level. I have to teach some of them how to actually use the ‘inset footnote’ command in MS word. They need to know what a topic sentence is. The remaining 60% have proficient writing skills, but need practice. I can teach some of these students the finer points of essay writing: how to read the question, formulate an introduction, effective use of evidence, paragraph structure, etc.

That all strikes me as being pretty practical stuff. Sure, the content is history, but really, they are learning some of the basic skills they will need to live as adults and make a living in a service economy. If the student takes a comp class in English, a history class, a science class where they have lab reports to write up, a writing intensive course in their business administration major, then maybe they will master the skills of writing.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7178 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:11:28 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7178 Yeah, I’m running together several things here.

1) Humanistic courses need to have a more applied bent in and of themselves, in some fashion that makes sense within the context of the humanities.
2) The overall liberal arts curriculum needs to give students a better sense of how liberal arts knowledge might express itself usefully in professional and career life.
2a) One of the more complicated ways you might do that is to have some ‘hands-on’ experiences built into the curriculum which don’t narrowly feed back into the specialized intellectual culture of the disciplines. Hence, a semester’s work with plumbing. The proposition here is not that this will qualify you as an apprentice plumber but it’s the same exploratory proposition as in teaching English or history in a liberal arts college: you might find that work “good to think with”, another arrow in your quiver. But maybe you’d also decide to do a 2-year certification in plumbing after (or while) working on your degree, which would be a good outcome too.

You could just as well ask what’s the outcome for a student taking an impractical class in the same terms, after all. What’s the outcome for taking Renaissance literature? African history? Moral philosophy? I think there are good outcomes, some career-oriented, some not–but as outcomes, they maybe resemble each other too closely. This is about getting more heterogeneity, more possible connections to the world, more discoveries, into the mix.

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By: Matt Lungerhausen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7177 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:13:36 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7177 So, I get the caveat, but I am still missing your point. Here is what I am hearing from you: maybe some students are going into biology/economics, the hard sciences, where people think scientifically and wear lab coats. Following the logic of supply and demand, which you imply here, the humanities have to make themselves more ‘practical.’ So now please connect the dots for me, how is teaching a student to bend nails and solder copper pipe going to change that trend?

I spent five years between undergrad and grad school working as a technician in theater and building trade show booths. It was a great experience. If I had been any good at it, I should have stuck with it and become the boss. But I was better at reading and writing about history. So I went to grad school. While I was doing this, I met a lot of very skilled people, who have more than just manual skills like carpentry, welding, electric know how, etc, but they had planning skills and other sorts of knowledge. Many of them had a BA or a couple years of college. They learned some of those skills in theater programs in college, but most of them picked it up as apprentices and in entry level positions working in theaters.

I think its a little presumptuous that a student at swarthmore or any other SLAC with a few credit hours in wood shop is going to be employable at anything other than the entry level. In a theater, they would have to work their way up the ladder just like everyone else, and they would still be ignorant of the mental habits of a lighting tech, for example. The case is even more tenuous for honest to god trades like plumbing, electrical work, dry wall and plastering, etc. So what is the outcome for a student taking one of your practical classes? – Proletarian class consciousness? – Improved home handyman skills for when they move to Williamsburg and start gentrifying a brownstone? – Averting a crisis of masculinity in the Accounting section?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7176 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:17:14 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7176 Partnership is definitely one way to cut the costs. Some practical issues if the physical distances involved are considerable.

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By: dmerkow https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/03/11/what-color-is-your-leaden-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-7173 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:15:40 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1162#comment-7173 Many colleges had/have physical education components. I wonder if this might be a way in to add some skill classes to the curriculum w/out totally messing with the mission and time to graduation and the like.

I wonder if sub-contracting/cross-listing these courses with the local voc-ed schools or community colleges. It would also provide students with a healthy way to escape the ivory tower and perhaps weaken the tendency toward elitism.

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