Comments on: Whose Dime? https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:41:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Rana https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7103 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:41:48 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7103 Honestly, I don’t see why assembling a dossier in August would be any more onerous than assembling one in September or October, when one is in the midst of teaching and early-semester workload. And really, given the choice between expending time, and expending money, I can find ways to make the time. Finding ways to come up with the money is much harder.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7093 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:15:31 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7093 I guess I’m just reacting to some very bad conference-call interviews that I thought didn’t do candidates any good. It’s possible that Skype interviews w/video could be the technological affordance that pushes that approach into making some kind of sense.

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By: Jason Mittell https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7092 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:02:17 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7092 I’d put in another vote for #2. In Film & Media Studies, conference interviews are much more rare, as the main conferences are in the spring. I’ve been involved in both ends of phone interviews, and just conducted a round of video Skype interviews for a hire – all went quite well, helping some candidates rise up the ladder and others fall lower. It might not be as personable as in-person, but it’s close enough to justify the huge savings for everyone involved. Like Matt said, I don’t know what’s different than conference interviews aside from cost and inconvenience.

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By: Matt Lungerhausen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7091 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:39:52 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7091 Tim, I do not understand your objection to option 2. You dismiss phone interviews with one sentence. I have done as many phone interviews as I have AHA interviews. I have also done phone interviews while serving on a search committee. It was cheaper and frankly less degrading than the cattle call interviews at the AHA.

Yes, there is a chance the candidate might do badly in a phone interview, but I do not see how it is any different from doing badly in a face to face interview. I remember totally tanking a face-to-face at the AHA, even though I had thoroughly prepared. (It was a totally degrading experience, because after the first five minutes it was clear that the committee did not want to talk with me further and was just going through the motions. I would have felt better if someone had leaped up from the couch and hit a giant gong to let me know I was done). I also had a great phone interview for a post doc and did not get the position. I do not think you can blame either outcome on the format of the interview. Frankly, I really do not understand your objection.

You cannot undo the fact that search committees and universities will do everything they can to externalize the costs onto the applicants. That is the logic of ‘excellence with no money” and the bottom line of the modern university. Dance has it right. The AHA should pull together two on-line systems. One for grad school applications and one for job searches. If they do this right, it can be sold as money and time saving proposition to the universities that participate.

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By: cgbrooke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7081 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:33:52 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7081 I want to second Dance’s point about centralizing the application process. We tend to think of the conference itself as the big ticket cost, when in fact the actual applying often costs more in terms of copy costs, dossier services, mailing, etc. And the cost of application carries much longer odds–perhaps 5-10% of the money/labor spent will result in an interview, and that may be a generous estimate.

Our program at SU is intentionally small, and one of the advantages of that was that while I was grad director, we managed to provide $500 stipends to MLA attendees each year. Not ideal, especially when the conf was West Coast, but pretty good when most of our students split hotel costs (and to be fair, MLA does a decent job of providing relatively fair-cost hotel options).

In terms of our searches (5 in the 9 years I’ve been here), our last two have gone the route of option #2 above, and I’m not sure how I feel about that. We provide our own candidates with practice phone interviews and feedback, but I’m sure that there are excellent candidates we’ve interviewed who haven’t received that kind of practice and who have suffered as a result (as you suggest above). It is a specific skill/talent, and one that can make a big difference in how well a person does, but it’s a skill that has absolutely nothing to do with their ultimate success. Too often, I’ve ended being the committee member who’s cautioned against treating “phone skills” as a relevant factor in our decisions.

cgb

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By: Dance https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7079 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:32:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7079 PPS. AHA, MLA (and whoever–APA?) get together to fund the cost of developing the computer system, then they all run separate customized instances of it. More funds from licensing the system to additional groups—centers running fellowships might also pay tiered fees to use it. I’m trying to figure out how the “Studies” jobs would fit into this system, but if the big disciplines can partner to build it, they should be able to design a way to help out those candidates and institutions who are interviewing in multiple fields/conferences.

I’m also imagining that the system, once built, could have a variant that smoothes the administration around book/article prizes. Alternatively, might make it more feasible for the AHA to lobby the medical industry to fund a grant for research in medical history, if the industry just supplies the grant and some admin fees. And so forth.

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By: Dance https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7078 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:59:53 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7078 PS. Registration in the system as non-TT faculty also brings a waived conference fee, and the additional support that can be applied for comes from the AHA, not from depts. As time goes on, people who have benefited from the system and found jobs as TT-faculty (something the AHA can then track more easily) are also asked to donate back to it. Another potential source of funds—sell the candidate’s names and mailing addresses to textbook publishers as a market.

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By: Dance https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7077 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:55:06 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7077 I don’t think a direct relationship between interviews and support should exist–that just makes things worse for the student who only has one interview. Rather, centralize it.

First of all, the AHA sets up an online job processing system, which saves lots of paper, mailing costs, and administrative costs for the dept. Candidates upload materials—depts download an entire package. Letters can still be customized if desired. This adds to the value that a dept receives for registering as a hiring institution with the AHA, which I think they need to do (with associated fees) to get the suite or the table in the hall. It also serves to filter bona fide candidates—those whose materials are complete in the AHAJOBS system AND verified as students, adjunct or independent scholars rather than as TT-faculty are eligible for a limited number of last-minute discounted hotel rooms, perhaps making it easier to do room shares. They can also apply for additional support with the costs, via a relatively simple process–submit a formal letter online attesting to need. The system also provides centralized scheduling (without names, eg, you can see that your candidate is blocked for 3 hours but not the other schools interviewing), reducing more hassle for the hiring dept. It also publicizes basic information such as “interviews all scheduled”, reducing the need for the wiki and thus the potential for nastiness on the internet. It also offers (additional fee, requires uploading dept letterhead) to generate and mail “thank you, you’ve been rejected” letters, a perennial weak spot on the part of depts.

Last minute flights are still a problem—however, the AHA will be able to lobby candidates registered in the system to encourage them to plan to attend regardless, publicizing the career advice workshops that they do, perhaps promising a CV-Doctor workshop to anyone who attends but receives no interviews logged in the system.

All this is funded by membership fees and by the fees paid by hiring institutions, and possibly some grant money.

I don’t know how many institutions seek to bypass the AHA system—this might add to that.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7076 Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:47:48 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7076 Agreed. But that’s not the way a lot of departments and institutions think about it even now.

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By: G. Weaire https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/15/whose-dime/comment-page-1/#comment-7075 Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:20:02 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1121#comment-7075 Re: the last point. Classics advertises positions centrally through the AP(hilological)A placement service, which emails the ads out to registrants and maintains an online list. (Here: http://www.apaclassics.org/Administration/Placement/jobscurrent.html)
For us, the lead time of journals is irrelevant, and I’m inclined to think that this should be the case for other fields as well, in this day and age.

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