Comments on: Fantasy Bests https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:25:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: G. Weaire https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7058 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:25:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7058 Has James Branch Cabell completely disappeared from the modern fantasy consciousness? I haven’t read his books since I was a teenager, but loved them then. No idea how they’d hold up if I read them now, I suppose.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7042 Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:49:39 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7042 The Roumania set is the only Park I’ve read, so I can’t say how it compares. Ceausescu is very good as a character. Made me wish I knew a bit more Romanian history so I could see how closely her background and rise tracked that of our own N. Ceausescu.

I wonder how much of the backstory Park actually has worked out; clearly more than he lets us in on, but I felt like the rules (or perhaps practices) of the hidden world weren’t all that consistent. By playing so explicitly with the arbitrariness of the world, he runs the risk of readers giving up on there being any fictional reality at the center of the work (maybe it’s just books by Aegypta, all the way down).

I like your term, counter-programming. At many (most?) of the narrative branchings, Park takes one that runs against expectations. I was less concerned with the state of geeky misfits in the new world than I was with the way that time ran, or the casual way in which major characters meet their fate. I think there’s a lot to your “appreciate more than love” assessment, though I also know I’m far more likely to go back to Roumania than to tackle all of Ice and Fire again.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7036 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:00:53 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7036 Oh, yeah, I’ve read Princess of Roumania too. I always find Park interesting, and there’s some smart counter-programming going on in the book in terms of the usual “protagonist crosses into fantasy realm, finds oneself a princess” narrative. The main highlight of the book for me though is Baronness Nicola Ceausescu, who is one of the absolute greatest antagonists I’ve ever seen in fiction. The complicated feeling I have about it is that by writing against the stock narrative, Park creates a work that you appreciate but can’t really love. It makes me feel uncomfortable about my own desires, about the extent to which I’ve almost come to expect and desire the usual tropes, in which people who are geeky misfits in our own world become people of power by crossing into a fantasy setting.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7035 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:55:31 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7035 Yeah, Alexander is really about the series. The Earthsea books seem to me to have more distinctive merit or not in comparison to each other.

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7032 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:12:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7032 Those books on your lists which I’ve read, I agree with you about. With a quibble: I don’t know why you’d limit the LeGuin and Alexander entries to a single book, when both are parts of highly integrated series; in particular, I couldn’t imagine reading High King without reading Taran, Wanderer first.

I could quibble about Gaiman, too, but I largely agree that — aside from Neverwhere — his fiction is excellent but not transcendental.

I wonder if Haruki Murakami would make your cut for genre… probably not, if Borges didn’t.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7028 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:16:47 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7028 Have you read A Princess of Roumania? I like Park’s rejection of fantasy as warmed-over feudal England (he sinks England as part of his world-building, just to drive the point home), and the dramatic pacing is so different from what I’d expect from the genre. I wonder if the series as a whole isn’t too oblique, but I’m still thinking about it some months later.

Ice and Fire may be better for being unfinished; everyone who’s interested can imagine their own resolution. Martin’s best book, I think, is The Armageddon Rag.

I’ve had the same experience with Little, Big. People love it or can’t stand it, with very little in between.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7025 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:22:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7025 I like Name of the Wind a lot, though it could use some serious editing.

I like Hobb, but as a very “core” genre writer, someone who isn’t stretching or challenging what mainstream commercial fantasy has become.

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By: benjamin https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7024 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:12:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7024 Just started Name of the Wind on the recommendation of a friend. Any thoughts?

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By: Brian Ulrich https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7022 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:18:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7022 Have you ever read any Robin Hobb, particularly the Liveship Traders trilogy?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2010/01/04/fantasy-bests/comment-page-1/#comment-7021 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:37:49 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=1079#comment-7021 Typos fixed! Thanks.

I agree Tolkien isn’t responsible for bad imitators. But as I said, part of what I’d like to think about with a list like this is what comes of a work, not just the individual qualities of a work. I should read Stewart’s Merlin books again, it’s been ages, but they didn’t overwhelm me when I read them (a very long time ago).

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