Comments on: Practicalities https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:02:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: jmg3y https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6376 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:02:18 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6376 In my opinion, the Scout’s experience is determined locally by the older Scouts in the Troop, the Troop Scoutmaster and those parents actively engaged in Troop activities, such as providing adult leadership on hikes, service projects, at summer camp and so on, and any conditions imposed by the local sponsoring organization. In other words, Troop culture is very much local and Troop by Troop and widely variable over time depending on the personalities of those actively involved. I think the more static organizational culture you are referring to is present among the adults at the district and council levels of adult leadership and the activities controlled at that level, such as the summer camps. My experience is limited to that of an active parent who was not a Scout but who sought out Scouts as a place for his boys to acquire outdoor skills and whose boys were successful in that, becoming Eagle Scouts. In part because of the organizational culture that I think you are referring to, I elected not to become further involved in adult leadership.

I used the plural of venue because it is my impression that other organizations are experiencing similar declines in participation. I also think that the national scouting organization works hard at overcoming problems leading to reduced participation, whatever their origin. Their history shows some disastrous decisions and subsequent recovery.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6375 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:53:26 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6375 It’s worth considering whether the problem isn’t with the society, but the Scouts, jmg. I didn’t have a long run in the Scouts–a year in Cub, Webelo, and just into Boy Scouting–and it wasn’t the most pleasant experience. That may not be typical, but I do wonder if the decline of Scouting has to do with a fairly static, sometimes stuffy internal culture to the whole movement. (The recent brouhaha over the Girl Scout who advertised for cookies online might be a minor case in point.) But even if that’s not the case, I think the structuring of the Merit Badge program makes it hard for what you do to take hold in your life, which isn’t entirely the Scouts’ responsibility–for example, you complete the Gardening Merit Badge, but then if you don’t garden afterwards, it’ll just be another of those weird, dimly remembered things you did has a kid because for one month or one year of your life, there was some reason you were supposed to do it. I actually remember how to put a reed in a clarinet and where to place my fingers, but I can’t play one worth a damn, and that’s because I took clarinet lessons for about a year before I decided I didn’t like it and wasn’t any good at it and never would be.

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By: jmg3y https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6374 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:04:19 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6374 Almost every community has an organization that teaches many of these skills to youth and that is Boy Scouts for middle school and high school-aged youth.

In meeting the rank advancement requirements (http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) and with careful selection of the Merit Badges (http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Merit_Badges), Scouts that complete the program learn survival skills, personal skills, repair skills and are otherwise introduced to a wide range of skills and careers, many of which are listed above.

For example, meeting the Tenderfoot requirements requires doing some cooking, knowing the local poisonous plants, and spending one night in a on a camp out. For another example, look at the requirements to complete the Gardening Merit Badge – http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Gardening

Girl Scouts may accomplish the same for girls as Boy Scouts does for boys but I’m not familiar with how they function at the level of the Scout. Girls can join Boy Scouting later in the Venturing programs and my understanding is that in other countries the two organizations are not separate.

Due to the heavy influence of a major national sponsor without which it would likely collapse, as an organization Boy Scouts does have a problem with adult leader policies being on the wrong side of a major social issue. In my experience that policy has little or no impact at the Troop level as it is under the local organization, usually a church or service club, in the community that sponsors the Troop.

If society values these skills sufficiently, venues are available in which youth can acquire them. Judging from declining participation, I’d say that it does not and that the majority of students beginning to chart their own educational courses will not either.

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By: Mary https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6355 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:09:26 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6355 To “Legal rights, small claims courts, basic familiarity with civil and criminal provisions” I would add ability to read simple contracts, with particular reference to phone and Internet plans, rental agreements, and the like.

To “The basics of investment and personal finance” there’s also the basics of borrowing money, although you probably meant to include that.

Other things:
* some elementary stuff about children. Not enough to parent or regularly care perhaps, but I think enough that someone could take care of a older baby or young child for a couple of hours would be useful. A little bit of developmental information about what children at various ages are mentally capable of would be generally handy.

* on the children front, anecdotally women in particular are apparently under-informed about the wanting children aspect of family planning. That is, the trade-offs of having children at various ages, the way the menstrual cycle works with regard to conceiving, the routine pre-conception health precautions, when and how to seek infertility diagnosis and treatment. This is fairly well covered in the press though.

* in addition to formal behavioural norms, negotiating skills and the norms in certain high stakes negotiations (salary, car and house purchases)

* the ability to understand the kind of statistics used in general audience newspaper articles.

* the failure modes of the human body. By this I mean more than first aid teaches: things like the likelihoods, symptoms and major treatments of common chronic diseases. I made it through an upper-middle class science-y education without having a clue what my family history was lining me up for or what to discuss with doctors and so on. (This would be hard to balance with public health scare tactics in which every lifestyle decision is dooming one to an early death.)

* basic medical routines: how often to see a doctor, how often to see a dentist, the responsibilities of health professionals and when to seek a different provider

* familiarity with the bureaucracy of the medical system, including specialist referrals and such (doctors and their admin staff tend to generalise from their frequent patients and assume that one must have been through this a million times, so do nursing staff with minor procedures). In the States I guess you’d want skills in negotiating with your insurers, luckily not so much of an issue in Australia. Perhaps someone should just write this down.

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By: CMarko https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6353 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:09:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6353 If I were running a middle school or high school, I would require every student to take a course on decision-making, anger management, and middle-class behavioral norms. As it is, I try to teach this stuff to my students in between math lessons. Some of my students have literally never been told that if they are angry at someone, they can contain their anger and complain to their friends later, rather than yelling and cursing at the person they are angry at. (It’s easier said than done, of course, but some students didn’t even realize that it was an option. They were shocked to learn that I had never yelled at a teacher or boss.)

I was watching South Park the other day and realized that while I find Cartman funny because he’s transgressive, my students probably don’t see it that way. They appreciate the show as insult humor, but I don’t think they are even aware of some of the social boundaries that Cartman violates–for example, in how he talks to his teachers.

This is particularly applicable in the low-income community where I teach, but there are a lot of middle- and upper-class kids who could use this too. I went to high school with some otherwise well-educated students who had no idea how to negotiate with an adult without whining or swearing.

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By: north https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6351 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:50:33 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6351 Here’s the Heinlein quote.

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”

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By: north https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6350 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:49:32 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6350 I would say “basics of carpentry” should include assembling furniture and building bookshelves, but not what we learned in my 7th grade shop class, which was how to make a napkin holder with a routed edge.

I think this is one reason also to have classes, to help peole understand where and when the ??dive right in?? approach is sound and when it might be dangerous or expensive.
This is the most important thing I learned from my wilderness medicine classes, and a reason that if you were actually pursuing these skills I’d strongly recommend taking Wilderness First Aid (or the longer Wilderness First Responder class). If you’re in the wilderness, what you most need to know is whether or not you can deal with the situation in question on your own, and how long you have before things go downhill; city first aid classes mostly assume you can’t deal with it on your own and you should get to the hospital in the next 10 minutes.

I would add some formalized communication skills and group facilitation. Everyone should know how to run a small meeting (even if you only ever use it for family decisions) and have some strategies for talking about difficult issues.

Also bike repair.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6347 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:53:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6347 Yeah, though as I learned the hard way when I tried to reconstruct our tub faucet after it started dripping, some experiments are expensive. It wasn’t so much that I screwed up, more that I discovered that the people who lived here before had made a very substandard installation with very low-quality (and now unavailable) parts–but in any event, I think this is one reason also to have classes, to help peole understand where and when the “dive right in” approach is sound and when it might be dangerous or expensive.

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By: Laura https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6344 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:03:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6344 I think the technological literacy stuff is important. They teach very little of that at Bryn Mawr. Yes, there’s some of it in CS courses, but there are no courses dedicated to that and most of the CS students either know a chunk of that before they get there or they learn it along the way on their own or otherwise.

I once taught a disastrous workshop to the people who maintain web sites on campus. I thought they should understand how the web works. It was a nightmare! These were relatively intelligent grownups and when I tried to explain that they were copying a file from their local computer to another computer that then displayed the file properly for a web browser, they freaked out. I still think they should know it, but it’s harder than it looks to teach.

We just signed up for high school courses and were told that baking is the most popular class in school and that everyone takes it at some point, usually seniors as a balancing class to their AP courses. They also have preparing for fatherhood and motherhood courses (these are separate for some reason). Because the area served by the high school is pretty diverse, there are lots of practical courses.

I learned a lot of the things on your list from my Red Cross babysitting course. I learned how to bandage properly, do CPR, give mouth-to-mouth, knew when to call for help, etc.

I would add to your list canning and storing of food. Both of my grandparents did this and I have no clue. I’ve contemplated growing some veggies this summer and/or stocking up from the farmers market, but I’d need to can some. Both of my grandmothers did this as did Doug’s and they’re all gone now and unfortunately, our mothers did not acquire this knowledge. Sigh. The answer to all your skill needs, however, is YouTube. I learned how to unclog a drain without chemicals that way.

I also think that in general, people need to be less afraid of trying something that’s hands on. We’ve gotten so far away from not just nature, but the tools we use to conquer nature that we don’t know anything about them and we fear them.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/03/18/practicalities/comment-page-1/#comment-6340 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:07:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=767#comment-6340 Yeah, I worried a bit about this, because I also think there’s a profoundly intellectual part of technological and information literacy (searching, knowing computers). But it does seem to me that more people are sequestered away from even the basic entry-level life skills involved than with writing, for example.

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