Comments on: Oh the Humanities https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:14:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: benjb https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6230 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:14:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6230 AndrewSshi: because in the end, humanities academics do what they????e doing because it???? what they love

While I think this may be a good explanation for the course catalog boilerplate-ism of the personal accounts of why humanities academics do what they do, it seems to me to be the very opposite of where one would want to end up while discussing the defense of the humanities. That is, with this account, we’re either (a) off-loading the heavy explanatory lifting onto something we’re calling “love” or (b) declaring the subjective appeal of something we wish to remain widely available.

(The difficulty of (b) is that, while “subjective” is not opposite “widely available,” it is not always easy to think them together, i.e., to imagine a widely held subjective response merely brings us back to the first problem–what is “love” in the sense of falling in love with a discipline?)

I’m not thrilled with love as an explanation only because it begs the question, assuming that there’s something in our disciplines/fields/subjects worth that love in the first place. It may be a dirty little secret that humanities academics love what they do; but it seems to me that it’s a “dirty” secret only in the sense that it hides something else.

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By: David Chudzicki https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6229 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:55:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6229 “…I think the humanities mostly have to give up the disciplinary proposition that what we do is primarily discovery, that we research subjects and information which are unknown and turn them into knowledge. I don???? think that aping of science has ever served the humanities well … ”

I think there’s more to be said about this distinction between new discovery, and exploring something that’s already familiar. (And I wish I could say it better…) In particular, about the interplay between those two, since your contrast with science made me wonder, Isn’t it always about “explain[ing] and explor[ing] the meaning” of something already familiar, maybe not “human life within the universe,” but something close.

I can see the argument much easier for math: We, as humans, start out with some basic notions of space and numbers; then in some sense all of math is some exploration/elaboration of that, rather than new discovery. Maybe number systems make a good microcosm, if we think of each extension (positive integers, then including zero, then all integers, then rational numbers, and real numbers, and complex numbers…and maybe generalizing the important properties and thinking about ‘rings’ or ‘fields’ abstractly) as only coming about to help us better understand the objects we were already thinking about.

But when a new concept has sufficiently demonstrated its usefulness, it starts to have interest in its own right, and we stop thinking about it as only elaborating the others. I suspect this is a process (which I think of as both personal and historical) that goes on in any discipline.

Maybe the sciences don’t quite go back to human experience in the same way that even math (and of course the humanities) does, but maybe there’s some commonality there too.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6214 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:11:38 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6214 I think that’s a great point, Andrew. A lot of us get into this simply because we fall in love with a subject or a discipline and then somehow that becomes embarassing as a defense of what we do, so we run it through a professionalized boilerplate translator and end up sounding hollow, without conviction.

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By: AndrewSshi https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6213 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:24:22 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6213 Timothy, in response to your second comment, I think that the reason that defenses of the humanities read like uninspired boilerplate is because of the great disjunct between the fact that academics in the humanities are in it because they love studying these things and that this study is a waste of money to the Powers that Be. So the academics in the humanities try to defend themselves by trotting out the tired cliches of “Blah blah blah critical thinking blah blah blah the good, the true, and the beautiful blah blah blah workplace skills blah blah blah can I please keep my job?” And by this point, it is recognizable as boilerplate.

Even the arguments you raised in the post will eventually turn into boilerplate because in the end, humanities academics do what they’re doing because it’s what they love. And since we’re not allowed to say that–and the professionalization aspect of grad school trains you to curb your enthusiasm even amongst colleagues–we’re left with half-assed excuses to a society that doesn’t believe in what the humanities have to offer.

At least as an Africanist you’re able to say, “I can teach well-heeled white kids about Diversity, which will enrich their lives.” Of course, no one believes the Diversity stuff either, but–and this is a good thing, mind–no one’s able to out and out say so.

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6212 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:07:08 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6212 We need to revitalize Phronesis as a meme. . . .

Maybe not with that exact term, mind you.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6211 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:41:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6211 I think most faculty who teach in the humanities can articulate some version of that, sure, but most of the time, it sounds either like the boilerplate that a course catalog or promotional flyer for a university might contain, or it has a lot of spiky disciplinary caveats in it. In other words, the default defense of the humanities doesn’t have the force of personal conviction, and it doesn’t speak clearly to a wider public audience.

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2009/02/25/oh-the-humanities/comment-page-1/#comment-6209 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:14:08 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=733#comment-6209 I haven’t read the article — I feel like I’ve read so many over the years, and they’re all the same. In fact, I suspect they are: they search and replace the names, and all the major outlets take turns every six months, so their readers don’t notice. Nobody reads these things closely: we’re all hair-trigger, knee-jerk reactors when it comes up. That’s how they get away with it.

As I said in another venue earlier today, “All fields of study claim to contribute something to the human condition, and hope to improve society by promoting their particular method to truth, beauty, health, prosperty.” I don’t actually believe that the humanities have become so inbred that most of us can’t articulate that, though we don’t do it often enough, or cleverly enough, for sure.

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