Comments on: Scandal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:29:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6026 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:29:13 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6026 Yeah, I agree: it’s not an excuse for this kind of pay, or this kind of structuring of the workplace, to say that this is a job you love and so are motivated to do it. It may explain why some people keep at it under conditions that are grossly exploitative, though.

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By: Rana https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6025 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:18:11 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6025 …work that they hate, I mean.

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By: Rana https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6024 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:17:06 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6024 This is a job you do because you love it; in my considered view as a historian, one of the best jobs humans have ever invented.

I feel the need to qualify this, although there was a time when I agreed with the statement entirely.
The revised version:

“This is a job you do because you love it, and have enough money to live on.”

Wonderful though both teaching and research are – and however much I miss them – it is cruel and unreasonable to expect people to do that work – and yes, it IS work even when it is enjoyable – without paying them a living wage. “The work is its own reward” is a fine sentiment, but it doesn’t pay the rent or buy the groceries or cover the emergency root canal.

I wish we would, as a society, get over the idea that work that people enjoy deserves less renumeration than work that they help. And who gets to decide that, anyway? Who is to say that doctors and plumbers and professional baseball players don’t enjoy their work?

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By: PQuincy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6022 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:44:51 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6022 And I think we are exploiting adjuncts whom we pay $4500 a quarter for one course! Evidently, the market for academic proletarians is highly variable by region and institution.

But that still doesn’t justify radically divergent pay-scales for different groups with fundamentally similar qualifications. The steady differentiation between ‘full-time’ and ‘part-time’ faculty may be part of the ongoing commodification of expertise, but paradoxically, it also contributes to our ongoing movement (back) towards a society of estates in which privilege and distinction, not qualification, are primary determinants of status, and in which rent-seeking, not profit, drives all sorts of economic decisions.

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By: New Kid on the Hallway https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6021 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:38:49 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6021 Yes, when I talk about being able to teach a 5-5 without sacrificing quality, I’m presuming there is no research requirement, that teaching is the sole purpose of the job. (And that the person in question has the temperament to teach 5-5 – I don’t think, personally, I could do it; I’m too introverted.)

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By: Carl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6020 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:01:36 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6020 Alkali, this refers to the number of courses taught in each of two standard academic semesters. For reference, a 4-4 teaching load is on the high side of standard at a college or small university where faculty would be expected to focus on teaching, service and advising but not so much on research. At bigger research-oriented schools (called R1), the standard load might be as little as 2-1, or even less with leaves and sabbaticals, with a much higher expectation of publication from those faculty. Of course, this doesn’t get into class sizes and instructional modes, which can vary quite a bit.

New Kid, when I was an instructor a thing we all knew, and talked about regularly, was how much better teachers we were than the regular faculty, who were burnt out, taught from their dusty old notes, were lost in their own little worlds, and couldn’t be bothered to show up for their office hours. Even then I recognized this as a self-serving group ideology, just as it seemed clear to us that the horror of pampered tenured faculty at honest workloads is a self-serving group ideology. And until recently community colleges wouldn’t even look at someone with a Ph.D., because they just assumed they’d be a prima donna.

I’ve played on both teams now. I’ve taught 6-6 and 7-7 in consecutive years, and I will say that at that rate my performance did noticeably degrade, I lost focus, cut corners, had no life, and began to burn out. 4-4 I can do standing on my head, and 5-5 isn’t too scary although I wouldn’t want to try to do that and keep any kind of research programme going. I expect the thresholds are different for different people in different situations. I interviewed at an R1 when I came out with a guy who was producing a book every two years. If that’s the priority a 2-1 makes a lot of sense to me.

A lot of what I do doesn’t feel like work to me. This is a job you do because you love it; in my considered view as a historian, one of the best jobs humans have ever invented. There are plenty of people who feel that way, and that’s what the UT system is relying on, a constantly renewed pool of willing eggheads. When they say their system works, they’re right.

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By: Fats Durston https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6019 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:30:10 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6019 Five courses in fall and five in spring, alkali.

Holy shit. One question to ask that I didn’t see in the article: what is the number of students per class, not that that justifies the peanuts.

Last year, adjuncting in Missouri I was offered 1800$ to teach a course by a dean. I sent back a letter asking him if he was joking, and they bumped it up to a slightly-less-embarrassing 2200$…

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By: alkali https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6015 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:58:44 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6015 Could you translate “5-5” for the lay audience?

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By: New Kid on the Hallway https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6012 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:04:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6012 On the one hand – yes, the Tennessee situation is a scandal. Revolting.

On the other… it seems a little unfair to say that no one can teach 5-5 with any degree of attention or focus to students. Many many community colleges carry that kind of load, and I’d hate to say that everyone working at those schools is short-changing their students.

BUT… for $15K a year without benefits? No, that is NOT going to create a good educational environment. I agree with Carl that this kind of work has become a kind of de facto apprenticeship, but it’s a crappy, exploitative one. The awful thing is that in many cases, you *need* to have adjuncting experience to look competitive in a search pool (because everyone *else* has that experience too – and I’ve been places where they don’t like complete newbies, they want you to be able to hit the ground running), but too much of that experience, and you’re stale, old news.

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By: Rana https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/12/scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-6008 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:15:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=673#comment-6008 What I always thought is that it was like an apprenticeship. If you get to graduate to mastery it was all worth it and a great learning experience. If not, it was just brutal exploitation. Since I???? a master now I look back fondly on those years.

Since I’m not, I don’t.

In some respects, though, I think it was a good thing to go through that period of profound disillusionment – it’s given me a better sense of my worth, and I’m less likely to put up with this sort of exploitation in the hopes that it will produce something better down the line.

If adjuncting was ever an apprenticeship, that system is now broken.

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