Comments on: And I Want a Pony: Dissatisfied Academic Version https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:09:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: scratchy888 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-6037 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:09:07 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-6037 Concerning the whole narcissistic trip that is an entire way of thinking on its own, and which always presumes hidden agendas in others as well as in one’s self, I found this book extremely useful:

http://www.karnacbooks.com/product.php?PID=27507

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By: Carl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5921 Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:31:30 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5921 Yeah, that’s a C- alright, and possibly a D or even an F if it’s ranty and unsupported enough.

We ask them to do a pretty complicated thing in these papers; it’s not surprising that they would throw dogma in with all the other hoops they think we’re making them jump through. And there are some real mixed messages in the academy about dogma, not least because some of our colleagues are indeed on a moral mission to sort the good people from the bad people, as opposed to showing students how such sortings work.

For a more subtle example, and I know you just tossed this off, I wouldn’t want to tell students to assume that discrimination against gay people is bad. I won’t even let them assume Hitler was bad; too easy to write off the ‘ordinary men’ who did the actual killing that way. I’ve got plenty of students who don’t think discrimination against gay people is bad, and the ones who do often can’t say why, so their views are pretty nearly useless.

If I told them to assume homophobia is bad, then whether they agree or disagree they’d learn that dogmatic performance is indeed a requirement of the course, but of course they’d be no closer to enlightenment on the substance of the issue. I might tell them that if they want to assume it’s bad on the way to another point they should say so, but that every time they make that move they restrict the persuasive field of their writing to people who agree with them already or are willing to suspend disbelief. If the paper isn’t about whether homophobia is good or bad but about Kushner’s use of language, that seems like the right thing to tell them.

I want to teach my students to think more deeply and broadly. I want my conservative students to be thoughtful conservatives and my liberal students to be thoughtful liberals. My own politics are pretty well hidden. The standpoints and ideological orientations of the texts I select are part of our analysis of them. I want students to learn to recognize and bracket ideologies when they see them, including their own.

In one of my world history sections the other day I teased a student who wanted to know if they could get out early by predicting that she and the vast majority of students who thought I was keeping them there were going to vote for McCain (on the Lakoff theory). Bullseye on that one, so later when we were talking about the spectrum of political preference a student pressed me on who I was going to vote for. I redirected the question to the class – who did they think I was going to vote for? Half said McCain, half said Obama. So I asked them, how many of you assumed I’d vote the same as you because you sort of like me? Heehee!

Anyway, eventually students who pay close attention should note that there is, or should be something sneakily liberal about valuing open inquiry and diverse views. So I’ll agree with John Smith that there are plenty of faux liberals in academe, but if he really wants what he says he wants he is in fact a liberal (I think he’s an ideologue with sour grapes); and I agree with Tim that he needs to think and work much, much harder about his practice.

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By: AndrewSshi https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5915 Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:17:22 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5915 Carl,

Your mention of politics makes me think of certain C- papers I’ve graded. There have been a couple of occasions when I’ve TAed English classes. In one of these, the students had to read Angels in America. A whole lot of the essays assumed that what the instructor wants is dogma, and so trot out six pages of “And therefore we can see how discrimination against gay people is bad.”

By the end of that batch of papers, I really wished that either I or the professor had had a brief talk before the essay and said, “Let’s take as a given that discrimination against gay people is bad and talk about Kushner’s use of language.”

And then there’s papers on stuff by Native authors.

All of which is to say that I think that a side effect of a lot of grousing about liberal academia is that in the culture at large, it creates a sense that professors want to have people espouse the right dogmas. So a first year student naturally assumes that what s/he needs to do is make a dogmatic pronouncement that conforms to his/her expectations of what the professor holds as orthodoxy.

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By: evangoer https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5907 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:53:47 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5907 It all makes sense, because his picture of industry is idealized and phantasmic as well, much like his fellow travellers in the conservative commentariat. Gimmicks and fads are routinely avoided? Deadlines are honored? Sheesh, who comes up with this stuff?

Don’t get me wrong, industry can be a fine place to be — it can even be a fine place for ex-academics to be. But I hope John is more resilient than he’s letting on, or he’s going to get eaten alive.

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By: Carl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5904 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:26:28 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5904 It’s worth noting that one of his peeves is against the liberal bias of academe. He’s not quite Straussian, since he seems to favor open, balanced and evidence-based discourse rather than indoctrination for the smelly masses. So far all good liberal artists should agree, but he thinks the indoctrination is going the other way:

“My partisan colleagues are universally National Public Radio listeners. They do not hear the other side, so it is easy to demonize the other side. Their students are listening, and sadly think of conservatism in its many forms as horrific.”

Now, this is ironic because I just the other day posted on recent studies that find students to be largely refractory to professors’ ideological influence. The conclusion being that although professors may be liberal, they’re doing a very bad job of passing it along. So sad that they’re not little robots awaiting their programming.

To me the diagnostic frame for this piece comes in the first section, where he reflects on his anxious outsider status in grad school. He just screams petty-bourgeois wannabe, and don’t we all know a few of those. His picture of academe is idealized and phantasmic, he’s got no feel for the nuances, and he’s outraged that, as you quoted Doris Lessing on African politics a while ago, it’s run by human beings.

Given his conservatism and if I’m right about his class background, he may actually be much happier in the business world, in which the field of distinctions will seem more familiar and less will be required of his cultural goodwill.

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By: G. Weaire https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5901 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:16:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5901 Wow. If I had read that before my own tenure, I would have been very angry, and only slightly consoled that his departure would open a post for someone who actually wanted it. Now I’m just peeved, but still consoled by the thought that some deserving and desperate young PhD. out there may benefit.

If the college in question isn’t under a hiring freeze, that is…

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5899 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:40:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5899 You betcha. I read that passage multiple times to try and see if I could guess what he thinks it’s a code for–business? law? think-tank punditry? Whatever it actually turns into, nothing is going to fill out his bill of particulars.

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By: evangoer https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/11/05/and-i-want-a-pony-dissatisfied-academic-version/comment-page-1/#comment-5897 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:31:54 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=667#comment-5897 Well put. If he does manage to get an industry job, John is in for a rude awakening.

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