Comments on: Trade Secret of Teachers https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:47:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: scratchy888 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5759 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:47:21 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5759 ps. Palin as palliative?

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By: scratchy888 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5758 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:40:13 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5758 I think that some people do not know they are bluffing, because knowledge itself and its value has been so widely discredited in popular culture that what counts is no longer knowledge per se, but “authority” and something like a guru-like status that can magically ‘fix’ problems.

When I was tutoring high school students I constantly found this to be the case — that what was expected, and what most parents wanted (except for one, oddly enough, Egyptian Christian parent) was a magic palliative to the problem of learning, which would not at all involve the student themselves having to put in any additional effort beyond what they would normally do. Somehow the presence of the tutor alone, plus the ritual of the parent paying money towards their child’s improvement, was supposed to assure success.

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By: Colin https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5757 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:54:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5757 hwc do you have a source for “most meaningful foreign policy experience”? The claims I’ve seen e.g. http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/657752,ob111907.article are more nuanced.

Now, you might still find his argument weak. But it’s coherent, logical, thought out. Sentences are complete. Then we have Governor Palin:

“PALIN: That??s why I say I, like every American I??m speaking with, we’re ill about this position that we have been put in. Where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it??s got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade we have got to see trade as opportunity, not as, uh, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs created in the trade sector today. We??ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation.”

This is *not* soundbites. It’s the entire response, and it’s even more painful on video. *This* is what out host is talking about. This is the unprepared student desperately rummaging for any half-remembered point that might possibly be relevant. Logic collapses into a word salad of sentence fragments and non sequiturs.

In Governor Palin’s partial defense, Couric is zeroing in on areas where the McCain campaign lacks a coherent position. But that gets to the point about bluffing.

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By: ca https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5756 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:41:37 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5756 Sorry– was agreeing with Tim, not first comment.
There’s a difference between living near the airspace of Russia and growing up with people who speak different languages, get to school through the streets of a third world country, and have to deal on a regular basis with questions of interpretation and cultural difference.
If Palin wants to convince me otherwise, she’d better have a decent example to throw out when Couric asks her for an example of some way in which proximity has led to insight. Note that in the interview, she seemed confused about who was the current president of Russia. Instead, the image was sort of Putin as giant cobra, raising his head and casting a shadow across Alaska.
She couldn’t even say she’d talked with any of the trade missions, worked on a pipeline deal in Canada, or drawn a parallel with international negotiations by explaining negotiations (if any) she’d done with first nations peoples in Alaska.
This is why I wonder if she understands the concept of providing evidence for her contentions.
I pity her. Watching her flail about in an interview is painful. But she scares me.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5755 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:26:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5755 Come on. There is a big difference between what you learn as a human being by living in a new place for some significant period of your life and being the governor of a state where federal military forces over which you have no control or responsibility for are responding to a situation which poses zero policy issues for you as an executive. That’s just a silly, trivializing comparison. I think it would be perfectly legitimate, again, to suggest that experience is overrated in making foreign policy decisions, though the current Administration isn’t exactly a great advertisement for shooting from the hip and going with the gut instincts.

There are all sorts of complicated problems that the mainstream media’s normal practices raise, but people who allege that it is the root of all evil nevertheless seem to derive tremendous amounts of information and knowledge from it. This is as much a problem for some on the left as it is for some on the right: this is an old critique I have of some of Chomsky’s work–that he derives some knowledge claims from media sources whose capacity for truth production he otherwise systematically discounts. But that’s just as much a problem for anyone of any political inclination who believes that mainstream media are the foundational source of everything that ails us politically. Once you go that far, you suddenly need to be tremendously fastidious about everything you believe to be true, or commonly claim–and few media-demonizers are even mildly so.

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By: Thomas Malaby https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5754 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:22:11 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5754 I???? not aware of any other Governor whose state has seen foreign military exercises at the edge of US airspace.

And that relates to her foreign policy experience how, given that the US military would have done no more than notify her office of the events after the fact (if that)?

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By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5753 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:47:30 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5753 “She???? be a lot better off if she didn???? to try to seriously talk about how Putin is rearing his head and floating into Alaskan air space and so on.”

According to the Anchorage Daily News, US fighters have scrambed to intercept Russian bombers approaching US airspace in Alaska 16 times in a six month period while Palin was Governor. That compares to one time in the previous ten years.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/358368.html

I’m not aware of any other Governor whose state has seen foreign military exercises at the edge of US airspace.

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By: gbruno https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5752 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:25:40 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5752 Why no wince when Senator Obama claimed that living abroad in grammar school was his most meanngful foreign policy experience?

Because it might actually have been a good point?

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By: ca https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5751 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:13:31 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5751 I agree– I just watched the two clips from the slate link and am no longer even slightly amused. They hurt.
Palin’s flippant dismissal of any need for examples, facts, historical knowledge, etc in favor of regurgitating canned responses is nauseating.
As a person who thinks that politics, policies, states and history all matter, I am flabbergasted by her confidence (apparently shared by a section of the American electorate) that they don’t.
During the outbreak of the Iraq war, there was a great deal of discussion about the distinctions between “the reality based community” on both left and right versus the president and his enablers. I thought the results (eg. deaths in war, a mangling of the US position in the world, and a crashing economy) of the turn to fantasy and spin in politics might be educational.
Apparently not.
Palin’s answers demonstrate that she is the logical result of the press and public’s willingness over the past decade or so to act as though reality doesn’t matter.
The interviews, though, made plain that Palin lacks the intellectual context and training, or even understanding of logic, that would enable her to understand why I see her as a problem.
She may, unwittingly, be one of the best arguments yet against the transformation of Universities away from liberal arts curricula and toward practical training.

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By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/25/trade-secret-of-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-5750 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:10:40 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=649#comment-5750 Why no wince when Senator Obama claimed that living abroad in grammar school was his most meanngful foreign policy experience?

I wince when the networks chop up these interviews, often leaving out sentences and paragraphs to make interviews seem less coherent. If they are going to spread them out over a half dozen news show, at least show the entire interview. And, then people react to the chopped up soudbytes and the echo chamber is suddenly at full song.

IMO, the media is the most corrosive force in American politics and has been for sometime. I wince at the false sanctimony they developed during Watergate and never let go. I wince at the New York Times and Judith Miller fraudulently selling the Iraq war to the American people and never accepting responsibility. I wince at the Washtington Post attacking John McCain for ad that relied on false information published in Washington Post, calling him a liar for not assuming it was false information.

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