Comments on: Planned Contraction or Chaotic Retreat? https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:14:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: swiers https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5736 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:53:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5736 An addendum to topometropolis, above–also the influx of DOD grants offered to researchers in the humanities. Perhaps even *the arts*.

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By: Sam Tobin-Hochstadt https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5735 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:53:17 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5735 I think this is way too pessimistic.

1. You suggest that tuition will stop going up so much, because otherwise people who aren’t extremely wealthy won’t be able to afford it. However, only the extremely wealthy pay full tuition now. I expect the sliding scale on which currently the most selective schools operate to spread to less selective schools, as they raise their tuition and give more financial aid.

2. I don’t think there’s any reason to think that they equity premium has gone away, nor that colleges will stop having a long time horizon in which to invest. Further, the stock market has barely out-performed inflation over the past 10 years, a period in which there has been major growth, as you say.

3. In what sense are rich people (the people who donate large sums to endowments) tapped out? There has been a massive transfer of wealth *to* rich people over the last 10 years, and there don’t seem to be signs of the stopping.

4. Finally, the US is growing significantly and is quite rich. Further, the number of people going to college keeps going up. Education is one thing that well-off people spend their money on, and I don’t see any reason for that to change. If the US averages 2.5% growth for the next 10 years, then there will be more than $4 trillion more money available to buy things with in 2018. That pays for a lot of professors.

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By: David Chudzicki https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5734 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:59:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5734 All this, together with the relationship between harder economic times and more graduate students… jeez.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5732 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:36:40 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5732 More targeted institutions is definitely something that should be on the list. I think that’s the only way for a lot of mid-tier selective institutions to come out of a period of contraction feeling like they are still offering a very strong education.

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By: prof.e https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5731 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:29:33 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5731 I’ve been grading all night, and am too tired to comment properly, but I think this post is more or less correct,and it would be nice to think that faculty might be engaged in planning for what is to come rather than just bewailing and bemoaning.

One thing that I think could change is the way that graduate education in the humanities and social sciences is organized. These are prestige activities that — as long as the students are being funded — are both time and expense intensive. That is, we may see more grad programs falling into heavy teaching loads, being supplemented by tuition-based programs, or just being downsized/phased out of existence.

I also think that a positive result would be more targeted institutions, that try to do fewer things well.

We are also likely to see a push-back (even more!) against research support in the humanities and social sciences, with an emphasis on higher teaching loads.

And as in other facets of American life, the gap between the haves and have-nots of higher ed will widen.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5730 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:13:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5730 My sense is that Middle States was told, “Do accreditation right or we’re coming for you with an axe. And that’s right by our new ideological standards, get it?” So I think Middle States passed that along to its clients: do you want the Spellings Gang to come and directly paw through your business? No? So help us out and take this a bit more seriously.”

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By: MichaelTinkler https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5729 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:49:14 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5729 I would be very interested to know where the pressure really begins, but at my school we got it very directly at the last Middle States visit – assess or die! Now we’re in the midst of grant funded discussions about how to do that better.

Was it really the DofEd that got the accreditation ball rolling?

Oooh – I just visited the Middle States website. They began as a group of college presidents organizing to protest the taxation of college property! Standards came after assuring property. Interesting origin.

The genesis of the Association can be traced to a meeting of activist college presidents in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania in February 1887. The meeting was held to protest a proposed tax on college properties and concluded with the consensus that education from early age through the university was in chaos. The presidents chartered themselves as the College Association of Pennsylvania, soon thereafter renamed the Association of the Colleges and Secondary Schools of the Middle States and Maryland.

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By: Carl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5728 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:41:16 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5728 Yeah, that’s a good point TB. In fact we can see that already in the heavy push for assessments by the Republican Department of Education and its nefarious flying monkey, Margaret Spellings. Insofar as this is not just invidious conservative backlash against the ‘liberal academy’, it probably reflects an increasing interest in discrimination by the end consumers of a saturated education market, the employers. Which further makes your point that without a significant upsectoring of the U.S. economy (or influx of students from upsectoring foreign economies) we may have maxed out the demand for college-educated workers (at least on the familiar model of college education).

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5727 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:59:13 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5727 Carl may be right that students will not become more demanding or savvy consumers of pedagogical goods if the economy tightens or worsens. It might be that the end consumers of student training (employers) will, however.

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By: MichaelTinkler https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/18/planned-contraction-or-chaotic-retreat/comment-page-1/#comment-5726 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:16:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=646#comment-5726 To compound Tim’s point 6, we can think of the wave of retirements that’s always just out there beyond the reef but which somehow never makes it to the beach. Inside Higher Ed did it as a rhetorical question yesterday – Will Professors Delay Retirements?

I agree that at my institution the assumption of growth Tim identifies in point 7 informs most decisions. Sometimes it turns out to be a rhetoric of growth, when administrators announce that some positions are newly tenure track, skating quickly past the fact that someone has always been teaching these courses, whether that someone was a by-the-semester adjunct or an ongoing non-tenureable appointment. Perhaps that’s ‘plenitude,’ the feeling that the institution has enough money to regularize positions.

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