Comments on: The Why of Culture War https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:24:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: swiers https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5704 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:24:47 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=638#comment-5704 I??m reminded of a bit in Annie Dillard??s novel ??The Living??the part where the prominent churchgoing elite of a U.S. frontier town take pains to include ??everyone?? in their vision of a utopian happy family. No culture wars there.

It strikes me too, listening as I am to an interview with David Foster Wallace from 1997, that those fighting on the fronts, without the luxury (?) of an attendant sense of detached literary irony (some of the various techniques of which Wallace himself was accused of abusing, and which he also critiqued in himself and others), will do anything to secure their own doom: I mean, just look at the ratio of job ??seekers?? to job ??openings?? in the present U.S. situationthose souls are consigned to perdition by default. But Wallace didn??t kill himself over culture; he just killed himself. He alternately infuriated and bored me, but I will miss him.

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By: Carl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5700 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:57:15 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=638#comment-5700 The point about the insults of cultural politics is worth underlining. Gramsci remarked that all men are intellectuals, but not all men perform intellectual functions in society. Here’s a wedge. He then divided thinking into common sense, good sense, and philosophy, with common sense being the burkeian sedimentation; functional but, from the standpoint of systematic reason, a bunch of junk. Another wedge. So the basic idea of a gramscian cultural politics is that everybody thinks, but most people don’t think well and a lot of what they think they know is crap. Intelligence is democratic, only not really. So as you say, this kind of cultural politics depends on chipping the foundations out from under people’s lives by valuing their potential but disparaging their practice.

Giving people help they don’t want is a quick way to generate resentment, the more so if the help implies an insult and the most if there’s no clear anthropological reciprocity. Traditional elites have the luxury of leaving people’s ideas alone (and are free to seem to share them), since the basic functional conservatism of that burkeian mishmash is unlikely to come together into any significant change agency. Cheney, for example, just drips with contempt for the intellectual capacity of the masses but wouldn’t dream that something could or should be done about it, and directs his public disdain at liberals so his more comprehensive elitism is not evident.

The respectful/resentful subalternity of the commons is historically ordinary; what needs to be accounted for is its activation for deployment in mass politics. Well, first there has to be a mass politics…. So to the variables already well covered I’d like to suggest adding the entitlements of consumer society. When the business elite is telling me as a customer that I’m always right, the contrast with educational/critical intelligentsias crabbing about my bad thinking and bad biases is vivid and grating.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5663 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:11:06 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=638#comment-5663 It’s a day for tilting at windmills for me, but the idea that a comparison to Nazism inevitably shuts off all debate is a bad one. Germany did not suddenly go from sweetness and light on January 29, 1933 only to turn into unalloyed evil on January 30 when Hitler was named Chancellor. The process of throwing away democracy and civilization had a lot of steps in it, and lots of Germans approved lots of those steps along the way. Nor was Germany the only European country to throw its democracy into the trash — that’s a depressingly long list — but only the most powerful, and the most resentful.

I’m probably preaching to the choir here (and mixing metaphors rather recklessly, too, sorry about that), but it’s well worth remembering that the Nazi government was a government of men, not of devils incarnate suddenly beamed into Berlin. It was a government that enjoyed significant popular support right up into the very end, and it was a government that left many of its people — and their probably unreconstructed beliefs — in parts of German society that has repercussions down to this very day. (Specifically, for example, high-level police functionaries transitioned into the Bundeskriminalamt, and Nazi-period or Nazi-inspired ideas about particular groups were used in police training well into the 1980s. Even if the materials were all eliminated by then, some of the people trained by these methods are certainly still in office.)

Anyway, it’s off topic, but I think it’s important not to stop thinking or talking when a Nazi analogy occurs. Under the Bush administration, torture became the official policy of the United States of America. How much further will we go?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5656 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:12:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=638#comment-5656 Yeah, I just didn’t want to hammer that material too hard, Jonathan, because then it’s force shields up, Godwin’s Law invoked, and so on. But yes, I think this is where serious, sustained anti-intellectual populism can go when it stops being a kind of low-level trope and becomes instead a major theme of electoral politics. If you like, the Cultural Revolution is just as good an example as Nazism–and the big thing for everyone to remember is that when a tipping point arrives, some of the people who were making instrumental use of anti-intellectualism will either find themselves targets, or find that the exception that they meant to leave for “useful” educated people can’t be maintained. You can’t separate Sakharov the useful scientist from Sakharov the dissident.

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By: Robert Zimmerman https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5655 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:51:47 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=638#comment-5655 It was funny to read the thoughts here about experts–just this morning I was watching Laurie Anderson’s culture-war critique, Only An Expert. It’s an entertaining commentary on a number of the threads in this post (I think it is, anyway–I’m still digesting).

The idea that the people should go after the real elite instead of the fake elite is seductive, for sure, especially for those of us who are alienated and shocked by the Bush-era political elite. As I read, it struck me that it has the same kind of appeal, and the same kind of flaws, as the classic economist’s model of a rational economic man. Whether that analogy holds up or not, I think you’re right that people react to whatever’s in their face or stepping on their toe. I guess we need to get used to that and figure out a better angle.

You’re suggesting at the end that we recoil from the culture war because it has such potential to get out of hand? Offhand, it seems like a good theory, though it doesn’t capture my personal reaction, which is aesthetic–the culture-war mindset is reductive in a way that I find depressing and ugly. That applies to both the Orthogonian and anti-Orthogonian sides, I think, though of course my gut reaction is mostly to the former.

Many thanks for such a rich post.

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/09/10/the-why-of-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5654 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:31:05 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=638#comment-5654 I think your history of the culture war is still a bit one-sided. You hint at it in the end, but it deserves actual attention. The anti-technocratic “lesson learned” from 20c history is only one of the many things that totalitarian states expressed and demonstrated. Culture War was another one — the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution being the ur-struggle, I suppose (or Lysenkoism, or Nazi book-burning, etc) — times in which anti-intellectualism ran rampant in the hands of the state resulting in massive damage to the cultural and intellectual resources of society.

What’s bad about Culture War for me is not anxiety about losing position: it’s about undoing all the worthwhile work done by educators, scientists, health professionals, engineers and other “elites.” Rotwang’s wrong about the exception: it is only granted in theory, because in practice the culture war makes it harder for those indispensible experts to function, or to exist in the first place. Culturally, there is an exception for “genius” because it occurs naturally, but hard-won cultural capital and “book learnin'” doesn’t really fit.

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