Comments on: The Revolution of Letting Go https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:05:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5565 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:05:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5565 Interesting, but that very much falls under the heading of “I’ll believe it when I see it”. The real problem is that it’s more or less confirmed now that Mugabe is only the figurehead for a military-police “silent coup”. So if Tsvangirai is actually allowed to be the executive, it’s going to be a poison chalice unless he has cooperation from inside the middle ranks of ZANU and from the military and police.

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By: peter55 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5564 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:03:58 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5564 Timothy —

I know this is slightly off-topic, but I thought you may be interested in this article about events in Zimbabwe in today’s “Sunday Times” (London, UK), by South African journalist RW Johnson:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4406837.ece

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5560 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:03:39 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5560 Mandela could be absolutely ruthless at times. I also don’t see that as a problem.

I think the kind of ambition that Havel might have found troubling is the ambition to have power for power’s sake, for personal gratification, not to build or make or construct something.

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By: peter55 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5559 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:10:59 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5559 Although I am certainly a great admirer of Vaclav Havel, it is not clear to me that he is the moral saint which many people believe. Reading his latest work of biography, it seems clear he did his best – both openly and secretly – in November and December 1989 to ensure that Alexander Dubcek would not emerge from the Velvet Revolution as Czechoslovakia’s President. Perhaps, as he suggests, that was for the best, if Dubcek was really the vacillating procrastinator Havel claims him to have been. But I heard no one, other than the Kremlin, claim that Dubcek was a vacillator in 1968 (although, thinking of those events now in retrospect, he may well have been.)

It is clear from this episode that Havel was (and perhaps still is) ruthless in seizing opportunities to advance his own position. I happen to think that this attribute both necessary and desirable in a political leader, and this is why leadership and sainthood are mutually exclusive categories. Even Nelson Mandela, after all, despatched pretty ruthlessly both his first wife and his second.

Revealingly, in the same volume Havel labels his rival and successor Vaclav Klaus, “ambitious”, yet says this label is not a criticism. What an interesting statement this makes about Havel!

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5558 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:22:54 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5558 Prison seems very much to have been a catalyst for Havel, too. Though of course he didn’t spend as long there as Mandela. Check also on the close partners: other dissidents and nonconforming creators in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland. Plus looser (I think) contacts with dissidents in the USSR.

With nearly two dozen new(ish) states, Central and Eastern Europe are great for comparisons. Walesa, for example, got strange in power. Adam Michnik didn’t hold office, but he’s been editor of the biggest daily newspaper and a top media executive since the fall of communism. That may be more power over the long haul than one or two terms at the top. He seems to have mastered the transition. But it’s probably hard to say before hand which countries will get Mandela and which Milosevic.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5557 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:23:20 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5557 I think Mandela had close partners or co-actors who shared his basic vision, or who reinforced it. Walter and Albertina Sisulu and Desmond Tutu, for example. To some extent, some of the classically liberal impulses and ideas that got pushed aside elsewhere in African political responses to British decolonization, in part because of the ham-fisted racialism of the Capricorn Africa Society, stayed “in the mix” in the ANC, and I think that was important. But you have to give Mandela personally a lot of credit for not taking all the mythologizing done on his behalf while he was in prison and turning it towards a cult of personality. That would have been easy, it would have been powerful, it would have been a simple way to silence or discipline some of the younger Black Consciousness-oriented convicts who came into Robben Island after 1976.

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By: Cameron Blevins https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5554 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:59:52 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5554 Its interesting how The Great Person Theory of History still holds so much undeserved sway among the public. Maybe it’s because of its simplicity, or the optimistic championing of individual power and potential. Like you note, in rare cases such as Mandela’s, the theory carries at least a little weight. Although what-if historical speculation is decidedly problematic and non-academic, do you think any individual or group of individuals could have adequately filled Mandela’s shoes if he hadn’t been alive?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5552 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:31 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5552 Havel is definitely another fascinating case of the achievement of political power not causing someone to lose their moral understanding of power.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/22/the-revolution-of-letting-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5550 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:31:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=620#comment-5550 Havel?

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