Comments on: The Manufacture of Culture https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:16:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: joeo https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5544 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:16:51 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5544 I think what bothers me is that ??We??re happy to explain this?? seems to have become an empty phrase, the equivalent of ??I apologize if you were offended by my actions.?? I??d rather that organizations admit when they are being opaque, rather than engage in this kind of faux-transparency.

I would like to see how they can explain their policy that “No questions will be answered about the $5 Hot Chocolate.”

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5535 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:50:20 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5535 Right. In some ways, it would be more in keeping with the indie-store aesthetic to simply say, “Because I’m a bit eccentric, and that’s the sort of store I keep, I will not stock XYZ, or serve the following foods. Sorry, but that’s me.” Instead it’s got to be “There’s a reason for this policy that isn’t just my personal aesthetic”.

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By: CMarko https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5532 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:36:44 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5532 The thing that really sticks out for me is the owner’s comment that “We have our reasons [for our policies], and we’re happy to share them.” But that’s belied by his attitude earlier in his own post, when he explains the policy against iced espresso: “Number one, because we don’t do it. Number two, because we don’t do it.”

The espresso rule itself just strikes me as entertainingly odd, but I’m strangely disturbed by this inconsistency in the owner’s post. I think what bothers me is that “We’re happy to explain this” seems to have become an empty phrase, the equivalent of “I apologize if you were offended by my actions.” I’d rather that organizations admit when they are being opaque, rather than engage in this kind of faux-transparency.

I wonder if that’s a reflection (or a creation?) of our culture as well: we feel compelled to claim that our policies are rational and open to discussion, even when our actions demonstrate otherwise.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5529 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:18:26 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5529 Well, you may not be feeling like it was a good idea to post the original entry, but thank you for doing so. Internet conversation tends to make someone who shares a vivid story into an object to squabble over, but without people telling vivid stories, most online conversation is just stuck parasitically repackaging content from the mainstream media.

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By: jeff.simmermon https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5528 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:57:49 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5528 Hi — I am the author of the original post that touched this whole storm off. And I’ve refrained from commenting, at all, because really this thing has become such a big dumb deal when it shouldn’t be. At all.

But I had to drop in here — this is the most intelligent, salient discussion of this issue I’ve seen anywhere, ever. I’m just letting comments roll past, just to stay sane. But this is really thought-provoking, and I’ll be referring to it soon.

Thanks for being the ONLY grownup to touch this thing,

Jeff

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By: jliedl https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5527 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:00:27 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5527 Timothy, we Canadians can be as confrontational and vivid as people in the US, never fear.

I’ve been following this story with morbid interest for the last two days. The value judgments implicit in the comments are, as you say, fascinating and revealing of how people want to see themselves as mavens of one viewpoint or another on coffee, corporations or conflict. And, as often happens on the internet, taking extreme umbrage over someone else’s perspective.

Me? I’ll order tea and to heck with all of this coffee chatter!

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5524 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:59:29 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5524 Yeah, I find that really irritating about WordPress, the thing with the dashes. Oh well.

The original poster actually referenced “Five Easy Pieces” in his blog entry.

I think it’s the net amplifying, Alan. “Five Easy Pieces” precisely suggests that this kind of thing is an old issue. That scene is often quoted or viewed in isolation from the movie with some admiration for the Nicholson character; the scene is taken as a kind of rugged-individualist reply to mainstream conformism. Seen in the context of the movie, it’s a little more complicated, because the character’s antisocial and alienated perspective is costing him and his family a lot. Stepping back from it, I’ve got some sympathy for the customer’s anger (and admiration for his willingness to express it), some sympathy for the barista and the store’s belief in quality, and some notion that grown-up adults would resolve this in some other fashion. But I have to say that some of the vivid fun of life in the human world would drain out if we all behaved like Canadians in every aspect of our daily interactions.

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By: Alan Jacobs https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5523 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:12:02 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5523 The comment software deleted my carefully-crafted dashes.

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By: Alan Jacobs https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5522 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:11:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5522 “Okay, give me a chicken salad sandwich, *hold the chicken salad.*”

All this raises another question for me, the by-now old chestnut about whether the internet or more specifically, the posts-and-comments region of the internet is generating higher levels of hostility or merely reflecting the hostility that’s already there. The store owner reveals himself to be a gigantic asshole, and there’s no way I would ever buy a packet of Sweet-n-Low from a guy like that, much less a cup of coffee but would he have been such a total jackass if the whole conflict had stayed in the store? Or was the net’s infamous amplification effect at work here?

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By: hestal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/07/15/the-manufacture-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-5520 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:31:36 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=618#comment-5520 This kind of dispute was shown in the movie “Five Easy Pieces.” Jack Nicholson is ordering a variation of a sandwich and the waitress blocks his every attempt to get what he wants.

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