Comments on: Letting Go and Keeping Weird https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:15:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5367 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:15:14 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5367 s a more specific version of that reputation that’s developed since 1960 that’s more than “academic powerhouse”." --------- You left us hanging! I'm really curious to hear what someone as intimately involved in Swarthmore and keenly observant as you meant by this. I think I could guess where you are probably going, but could be always be surprised. I'm a bit stumped to come up with something that doesn't echo some prior Swarthmore history from Lucretia Mott's radicalism to Alice Paul's activism to Carl Levin's "ethical intelligence" in delivering anti-McCarthy petitions. I'll throw my own surprise on the table. I would argue that Swarthmore has a fundamentally conservative culture, not in political leanings, but in a decidedly "old-school" approach to community, values, and learning.]]> “But I think there’s a more specific version of that reputation that’s developed since 1960 that’s more than “academic powerhouse”.”

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You left us hanging! I’m really curious to hear what someone as intimately involved in Swarthmore and keenly observant as you meant by this. I think I could guess where you are probably going, but could be always be surprised. I’m a bit stumped to come up with something that doesn’t echo some prior Swarthmore history from Lucretia Mott’s radicalism to Alice Paul’s activism to Carl Levin’s “ethical intelligence” in delivering anti-McCarthy petitions.

I’ll throw my own surprise on the table. I would argue that Swarthmore has a fundamentally conservative culture, not in political leanings, but in a decidedly “old-school” approach to community, values, and learning.

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By: nord https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5352 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:44:48 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5352 Well US News has been a blessing and a curse to the elite colleges. Great publicity, increase in applications, admission statistics of all sorts, but in also smoothing out a lot of the lumps/differences among the elite institutions. The avg. applicant seems to put Amherst, Williams and Swarthmore in the same category, “top 3”, whereas an older generation might view them as having more differences. Among institutions in a certain athletic league, the changes are even more extreme. Good for ithaca, providence and west philly, but at the margin a negative for Williamsburg, Charlottesville, and Evanston.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5350 Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:36 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5350 s personality can become more and more exaggerated as it attracts more and more of the same kind of prospective student." -- Sewanee has in spades. No silver lining without its attendant cloud, I suppose. As for top-mandated change, I'm reminded of a letter to Ann Landers many moons ago. A parent of a prospective Princeton (I think) student had heard about a tradition of running around outside naked after the first snowfall. The parent was predictably appalled, and Ann wrote a dean at the school to inquire. He said (I paraphrase) that yes, the stories were true; no, the administration didn't think it was particularly scholarly; and if she knew a way to keep sophomores from acting sophomorically, he was all ears.]]> As a Sewanee alum, I can sympathize with this post, though probably not in any really coherent fashion. “Essential traditions” indeed: The canonical answer to how many Sewanee students it takes to change a light bulb is “Change?!?!” Students apparently voted against abolishing Saturday classes in 1974 (!). On the other hand, it is reliably reported (at least as reliably as anything else regarding undergrad legends) that a key reason for wanting to keep Saturday classes was that they gave rise to “study days” (no classes) on various weekdays during the semester, and the pre-study day parties were usually the best. The echo of Saturday classes persisted into the 1990s, when standard classes were either MWFTT or TTMWF. That is, they met three times one week followed by two the next, or vice versa. That had been the university’s solution to changing classes out of the MWF/TTS pairing.

Prodigious fundraising since an existential scare (late 1970s, early 1980s, I think) has meant that Sewanee has shed its “shabby genteel” while retaining its denominational ties and its narrow section of a social elite. (I got in on scholarship and was definitely one of the weirder ones.) And there is a certain sense of humor about the overwhelmingly conservative nature of the place; while no one could really fight the T word, it was also commonly said that doing something twice meant that you could proclaim it a Tradition.

Even at the time, I cherished its distinctive culture. You’d never mistake it for anywhere else. But these challenges — “The stronger your perceived niche or character, the more it limits the pool of potential applicants and matriculants. Moreover, the institution’s personality can become more and more exaggerated as it attracts more and more of the same kind of prospective student.” — Sewanee has in spades. No silver lining without its attendant cloud, I suppose.

As for top-mandated change, I’m reminded of a letter to Ann Landers many moons ago. A parent of a prospective Princeton (I think) student had heard about a tradition of running around outside naked after the first snowfall. The parent was predictably appalled, and Ann wrote a dean at the school to inquire. He said (I paraphrase) that yes, the stories were true; no, the administration didn’t think it was particularly scholarly; and if she knew a way to keep sophomores from acting sophomorically, he was all ears.

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By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5349 Fri, 30 May 2008 02:26:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5349 The only fundamental change in Swarthmore’s brand since the 1960s that I can detect is the massive commitment to diversity. While that fits with Swarthmore’s brand, it’s also a function of the times. Most elite northeast colleges and universities have undertaken the same kind of diversity efforts over the same time frame, some more successfully than others. Swarthmore has the money to do it

Otherwise, I can’t find anything about the Swarthmore culture that really differs from other points in its history.

As for “marketing”, I think Swarthmore does an excellent – and, more importantly, honest – job in selling itself to prospective students. What you see is what you get. For the most part, the students who choose Swarthmore buy into the Swarthmore ethos, which is, ultimately, the mark of an admissions office doing a good job.

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By: Seth https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5348 Thu, 29 May 2008 20:11:58 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5348 At least Wesleyan is still going strong! As a huge shock to community members past and present, Antioch College (my alma mater and another famously “post hippie” institution) is closing down this year partly because of their ability to “rebrand” themselves and secure enough funding through enrollment, alumni, and the larger University that it is tied to.

Sometimes I think Swarthmore does a better job promoting it’s identity to alumni and peer institutions than it does to prospective students. I, too, was turned off by the stuffy and overly competitive atmosphere I detected during my visit and interviews, but after working at the college for the past nine years I have come to realize I would have had the same education and freedom at Swarthmore as I did at Antioch.

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By: Western Dave https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5347 Thu, 29 May 2008 14:57:01 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5347 The switch from SWIL to Psi Phi is brilliant, just brilliant.

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By: Daniel Rosenblatt https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5346 Thu, 29 May 2008 14:23:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5346 As a mid -eighties Wesleyan grad (one who was in sympathy with Chicago ’68 even if my own politics were less mechanically Marxist than Weatherman and my style a bit more SF punk), I am struck by that fact that me and my friends were always convinced that the administration was engaged in a conspiracy to change the reputation of the school in order to diffuse political activism on campus. In an odd way, that they are still trying my be a sign of continuity as much as change!

However, I urge you to send that email: after all, annoying the administration has always been part of the goal of campus politics. Were you at Wesleyan when someone (maybe it was two people?) decided that the way to get the administration to pay attention to issues of date rape was to leaflet campus tours of prospective students and their parents with an estimate of how many rapes occurred on campus every year (taking into account that 90% of them were likely unreported)?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5345 Thu, 29 May 2008 11:29:20 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5345 Yes, that’s right. But I think there’s a more specific version of that reputation that’s developed since 1960 that’s more than “academic powerhouse”.

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By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/05/28/letting-go-and-keeping-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-5344 Thu, 29 May 2008 06:10:47 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=572#comment-5344 From a marketing standpoint, the biggest risk to a liberal arts college is to NOT have a firmly established brand or personality. Wesleyan should be thankful it has one.

One minor quibble: You may be right about Wesleyan, but Swarthmore’s brand was established before the 1960s. I think you have to go back to the 1920’s when Frank Aydelotte started the Honors program. Winning the College Bowl geek game show series on national TV in the 1950s probably helped a bit. By the 1960’s Swarthmore was already well established as an academic powerhouse.

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