Comments on: One-A-Day: John Lewis Gaddis, The Cold War: A New History https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:08:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: peter55 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4839 Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:08:58 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4839 Thanks for your reply, Timothy, which I agree with up to a point. I think that not-being-a-colony had a psychological impact on the white population (as you say), which was manifest in a greater intransigence than in the other British colonies. In West Africa, whites did not think of themselves as long-term settlers. In East Africa, they did, but they were very much aware that they were still under the thumb of London. Being long-term settlers and having what they believed was control over their own destiny (and on a path, so they believed, towards British Dominion status) made them less willing (IMHO) to consider accommodation of black-african nationalist ambitions.

It is interesting, for example, to note that (black and white) officials of both the Central African Federation and the Governments of its constituent nations traveled to other British Commonwealth nations in the 1950s and early 1960s. The CAF was even invited to and represented at the Independence celebrations of Ghana in 1957. Officials of the Kenyan administration, for instance, weren’t sent to Australia on extended study tours to share ideas about education policy, as one black Zimbabwean CAF civil servant (whom I knew) was in the early 1960s. I think the black-white relationship in Southern Rhodesia prior to Independence was subtly different from that elsewhere in British colonial Africa, and that the belief of the white population that they were on a path to dominion status played a major part in this. Of course, you are correct that for the overwhelming majority of black people their life experience was little different from that elsewhere.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4838 Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:06:20 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4838 I’ll be done with it soon. (He says optimistically.) But the precision you point to strikes me as not terribly crucial in this case: Africans in Southern Rhodesia, later Rhodesia, (whether BSAC state or self-governing) lived under a system that was in almost every meaningful respect similar to the imperial administrations of other territories. Government officials after 1923, again after the Central African Federation, and again after UDI were often keen to insist that the legal status of their sovereignty made them unlike other British imperial territories in Africa, and in certain respects that was true for the white inhabitants of the territory. But it wasn’t a particularly noticeable difference to Africans, save for the general differences that living in a settler society made in terms of social status, political status and so on.

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By: peter55 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4835 Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:23:22 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4835 m just finishing on colonialism and individual agency in Zimbabwe . . ."</i> No doubt your manuscript is careful to note that Zimbabwe (or, rather its geographic predecessors) was only strictly a "colony" for the few short months between the majority-rule agreement at Lancaster House, London, in December 1979 and Independence in April 1980. When initally settled by whites in 1890, it was run, under a royal charter granted to the company by the British crown, by the British South African Company, until, in 1923, it became a self-governing (with, a course, a very restricted franchise) British dependency. Is your manuscript publicly available? Having lived in Zim, it would be very interesting to read it.]]> “In the manuscript I’m just finishing on colonialism and individual agency in Zimbabwe . . .”

No doubt your manuscript is careful to note that Zimbabwe (or, rather its geographic predecessors) was only strictly a “colony” for the few short months between the majority-rule agreement at Lancaster House, London, in December 1979 and Independence in April 1980. When initally settled by whites in 1890, it was run, under a royal charter granted to the company by the British crown, by the British South African Company, until, in 1923, it became a self-governing (with, a course, a very restricted franchise) British dependency.

Is your manuscript publicly available? Having lived in Zim, it would be very interesting to read it.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4822 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:15:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4822 Yes, I think Brad’s right. But I still think you can talk about the cultural and social history of decisions in ways that aren’t quite as noun-verb as Gaddis or other political historians sometimes are (e.g., Cheney did, Rice did, Rumsfeld did, in which we assume that they had an intention, they made a decision and an action happened in the world and all three are the same thing).

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By: barry https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4820 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:58:55 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4820 Tim,

Brad DeLong has a comment on this:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/01/do-the-cossacks.html?cid=97500642#comment-97500642

In short: it’s highly plausible that Bush fell for these traps; it’s highly implausible that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice did.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4802 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:40:53 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4802 I think there’s quite a lot out there that fits the bill, yes. What I suppose I’m wondering is what it would take to integrate the insights of this kind of work into a “traditional” mode of writing about leadership and decision-making.

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By: llws https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4801 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:44:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4801 To point out the 800 lb gorilla in the room, the book that does a great deal of what you’re asking for with a case example you cite: Graham Allison’s Essence of Decision: Explaining the Cuban Missle Crisis. I came of age with the second edition from the late 90s, cowritten by Philip Zelikow and working off a pool of primary materials greatly expanded by declassification.

Essence of Decision is the type of book that through its approach to the intersection of individual and institution in decision making processes makes political science something more than just history lite or philosophy lite. I could say a lot of asinine, unsubstantiated pol blog and Heritage Foundation intern words here like nuanced, lucid, revolutionary, and essential (har-har), but I think the work speaks best for itself. Also, to be honest, it’s been three and a half years since I last read the text. I don’t know how much of what I think of when I think of Allison is actually from Essence, or the river silt and ox-bow lakes of other works, personal experiences, and pet theories, the usual claptrap. A few years back, I rewatched the Rankin-Bass Return of the King with a 5 year old and was shocked to see that the scene that stayed with me for all of my childhood, (spoiler warning or some-unnecessary-such) when Eowyn rips off her helm and shouts ‘I am no man,’ doesn’t even register a full 30 seconds. Or it’s like the proverb in Slavery and Social Death that takes me forever to refind every time because it seems so much more revelatory and central in my mind than it ever is in the text, like there should be more on the page. The danger of a lack of rigor.

Prof. Murphy’s syllabus for Race and Foreign Affairs also has a great deal of pertinent work on the intersection of cultural norms and political decision making and bureaucratic implementation.

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By: Adam Stephanides https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4800 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:02 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4800 The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy, September 1939-March 1942 by Christopher Browning and Jurgen Matthaus might be a good example of the sort of “social history” of decision-making you’re looking for. It tells how various factors — obviously including Hitler’s own extreme anti-Semitic worldview and that of the rest of the Nazi leadership, but also the way the Nazi state operated, the specific situations faced by administrators of conquered territory, and the progress of the war itself — ultimately led to Hitler giving the (presumably oral) order for the Final Solution.

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By: ancarett https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4799 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:16:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4799 As a pre-modernist, I’m only familiar with Gaddis as the author of “The Landscape of History” (which I quite admire) but I’ve always wanted to read one of his books. This might be an interesting and useful one to tackle seeing as I’m still occasionally responsible for the modern half of Western Civ although, like you, I long for a social historian to explain the political culture behind the Cold War’s leadership.

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By: Matthew https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/09/one-a-day-john-lewis-gaddis-the-cold-war-a-new-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4798 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:27:13 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=486#comment-4798 It’s also interesting to hear about the tendencies in Africanist writing: in East Asia/Japanological writing, there’s generally been the opposite tendency towards a strict division of labor wherein political topics are done by institutionalist political scientists, anthropologists study what’s already explicitly labeled as culture, and so on.

And I shouldn’t have said ‘trade union,’ I guess-historically Japanese unions are company or workplace unions, but anyway…it’s that damned area training making me say these stupid things (jk).

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