Comments on: Competency as a Cultural Value https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:08:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: WeakSister https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4854 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:08:22 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4854 Great analysis! And while I do agree that the woman in Texas was voicing something that’s just part of human nature — and that we Democrats, in general, don’t do a good job of allowing for or speaking to human nature — there is another thing to take into consideration. There might actually be a problem. According to numbers I’ve seen, the population of illegal immigrants in the country, about 70 percent from Mexico and Central America, has more than doubled in the space of 10 years (from at least 5 million to at least 12 million). Maybe this woman’s view are somewhat accurate, if not very nice? I am pro immigration and think amnesty is a good idea, but that doesn’t mean that the presence of such a large number of people who are living in a highly insecure, shadow economy, isn’t actually a real problem! Particularly for towns that are dealing with significant influxes of new residents. This is another facet to the competency problem we Dems are blessed with — we also get in our own way sometimes, with our vaguely noblesse oblige attitude toward social challenges… Again, just a great post, if a little depressing — the natural conclusion is: President McCain. Say it ain’t so!

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By: hestal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4806 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:26:52 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4806 I understand those women from Texas. I live in a rural area that has never permitted blacks to live or even stay overnight, but there are a few immigrants from Mexico and the number is growing.

Lawrence E. Harrison, on page 55 of “The Central Liberal Truth” compares a “Progress-Prone Culture” with a “Progress-Resistant Culture.” As one might expect many of the comparisons are opposites. Mr. Harrison points out that there are two rules for deciding which category a particular culture belongs in:

“(1) Does the culture encourage the belief that people can influence their destinies?
(2) Does the Culture promote the Golden Rule?”

Texas is far from a “Progress-Prone Culture.” Those women you wrote about have no influence over their destinies and I can testify that Texas does not promote the Golden Rule.

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By: jpool https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4795 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:22:05 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4795 Nice piece (which I think really deserves to be worked up into an essay). I especially appreciate the connection that you draw to African witchcraft discourse. I haven’t seen that before.

I listened to that interview too and cringed in my car as I heard that woman descend into her “Those people shouldn’t be doing better than me.” bit, but noticed, as you did, that she seemed more exhausted than hateful. I don’t know if this gives more reason for hope or not; if it means that some set of circumstances — local politics or national policy — could bring this woman together with her Mexican neighbors and her past her fears and resentments. It does certainly seem to be one of those places where the contradictions in capital, or rather the contradiction between the Republican party’s business segment’s interests in immigrant labor and the cultural conservative segment’s interests in narratives of resentment, is acting as a moderating influence on those racial politics.

On the competency versus charisma point, I get frustrated about how these keep being played, particularly in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s speeches this weekend, as opposed categories. NPR kept interviewing Clinton supporters who talked about Obama “seducing” democrats, as if (Obama’s) charisma was essentially a form of snake charming, and (Clinton’s) competency was all about substance and not at all about appearances. Charisma matters, not just because we need to capture the hearts of those who can’t be bothered with policy discussions, but because people of all bacgrounds and predispositions really do need to feel inspired to put in the work for positive change.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4790 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:14:48 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4790 I’ve obviously missed something in Hillary’s positioning — or maybe in the media’s transporation of it — because she’s one of two candidates in this race who are historic simply becuse of who they are. Maybe the media have gotten tired of interviewing grandmothers who say, “When I was born, women couldn’t vote. Now I will live to see a woman president.” But can people really be missing that point?

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By: alkali https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4787 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:22:10 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4787 I’ve commmented elsewhere that we shouldn’t underrate the possibility that many “independent” voters are not “independent” because they’ve exhaustively considered all the policy alternatives and find themselves in the political middle; rather, they are “independent” because they feel they have a civic obligation to vote but don’t like thinking about policy very much. With those voters, it doesn’t make sense to think, “Oh, I’ll capture their votes by taking a complex, nuanced position that I will justify by extended policy discussion.” Those voters just don’t like hearing discussion of policy — they would rather hear the bumper sticker response. This is not to say that candidates should never take complex, centrist positions, but that it may make little sense to take such a position on the theory that independent voters will enjoy hearing the candidate give an elaborate exposition of it.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4786 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:43:40 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4786 I think that’s very important, Sam. It’s very much what’s bundled into “the wisdom of crowds”: a notion that there is a form of competence that doesn’t reside with experts or education. That, too, is what is at stake here. I don’t think conservative politicians do particularly well by “the wisdom of crowds”–in fact, I think many of them have a largely exploitative, cynical view of what that entails. But liberal American politicians *and* elites don’t understand very well what it might mean, either.

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By: SamChevre https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4785 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:19:10 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4785 I largely agree with your analysis, but I do think you miss two important factors in “valuing competence.”

First, pretty much everyone values competence only in areas where they care about and agree with the goals. Your competence at getting flowers to grow in your yard interests me very little. Your competence at stealing my stuff and not getting punished is more likely to make me hate you than to make me admire you.

Second, “competence” is not just partisan because conservatives don’t care; it’s partisan because conservatives largely don’t agree with it. In the name of “competence”, there has been a huge transfer of actual power from “people I know, and basically agree with” to “people I don’t know, who don’t care about my interests” for almost everyone, but particularly for conservatives. Note, for example, public schools; 50 years ago, local communities controlled them; now, they are almost entirely controlled by education experts. In the process, they’ve become several times as expensive, and much less reflective of the values of the people whose children enroll in them; how much the median education they provide has changed is unclear, but it’s not commonly perceived as having improved. Hayek’s critique is on point; centralized “competence” is rarely as well-informed as decentralized decisionmakers are.

Or, to put it in it’s briefest form: the competence of my local protection racket isn’t something I value much.

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By: ProtoScholar https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4784 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:48:24 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4784 First of all, thank you. You have crystalized a bunch of things that have been banging around in my head for a long time.

I thing you are generally right. Bush certainly didn’t run on competence; he ran on emotion and religion; a call to an American identity straight out of Rambo movies. Unfortunately that is a more powerful lure for the “average” American.

Of course, that scares the heck out of me too. As the world gets more complicated it becomes easier to blame problems on unseen forces and far-reaching conspiracies. That, in turn, makes those who sell themselves based on a grand narrative and overarching vision more tempting than those who sell themselves based on experience and skill. In the end, the actor and storyteller has the advantage….

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By: aaron https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2008/01/04/competency-as-a-cultural-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4783 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:44:15 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=483#comment-4783 You wrote: “I would like to find a way to circulate an emotionally resonant, intangibly powerful, deeply felt national narrative about why it matters to govern well, why training and knowledge and skill are not just good things in and of themselves, but produce tangibly good outcomes in the lives of all Americans.”

This sounds a great deal like the way I’ve heard Japanese people talk about their government. Not that they were always enthusiastic about it, but enough people tried to explain to me that while politicians come and go, the Tokyo University technocrats that actually run the country stay the same, for me to be convinced that it’s at least a significant attitude. It’s sometimes hard to avoid the Ruth Benedict fallacy of seeing Japan as America’s bizarro-world other, but I have symnpathy for where that belief came from. On the other hand, the fact that Japanese politicians seem to fight over even smaller increments of real policy alternatives than our “I’m not Bush” candidates in the US seems to me a good example of Ferguson’s “Anti-Politics machine” model of how expertise produces a kind of TINA consensus in negative ways (as you point out, the competence or lack of Tokyo University folks doesn’t have much to do with Japan’s economic malaise).

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