Comments on: Head-Slapping Time https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:23:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Ralph https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4359 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:23:17 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4359 I agree with withywindle that it would be helpful if Tim would expand on what he means by understanding academic freedom less in terms of rights than “in terms of the productivity of academic communities”.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4358 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:01:54 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4358 t think academic freedom is best conceptualized in rights terms at all, but instead in terms of the productivity of academic communities," which is fascinating. This is susceptible to an Arendtian spin--academic liberty must be achieved by each academic, and not given to each academic as a right. But to give it that spin, you would need to specify "productivity" to have "production of liberty" front and center--otherwise, we have the somewhat Soviet idea that so long as the Stakhanovite production at Monografgorodsk has exceeded the estimate, the loss of personal liberty is of no matter. I think one can endorse the Arendtian idea of academic liberty, and still say that, so long as rights-speak is dominant, one can still complain about unequal enforcement of academic rights by academia's New Class. And the relation between academic institutions and academic liberty is still at issue, even in your reformulation. I do encourage you to expand on this aside.]]> Tim writes, “I don’t think academic freedom is best conceptualized in rights terms at all, but instead in terms of the productivity of academic communities,” which is fascinating. This is susceptible to an Arendtian spin–academic liberty must be achieved by each academic, and not given to each academic as a right. But to give it that spin, you would need to specify “productivity” to have “production of liberty” front and center–otherwise, we have the somewhat Soviet idea that so long as the Stakhanovite production at Monografgorodsk has exceeded the estimate, the loss of personal liberty is of no matter. I think one can endorse the Arendtian idea of academic liberty, and still say that, so long as rights-speak is dominant, one can still complain about unequal enforcement of academic rights by academia’s New Class. And the relation between academic institutions and academic liberty is still at issue, even in your reformulation. I do encourage you to expand on this aside.

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By: Prof. AME https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4351 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:50:02 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4351 Dear Paul: it’s not a question of a straw man, it’s a question of double standards. To paraphrase a posting on HNN: Is it really conceivable to you that a Prime Minister of Apartheid South Africa who was an affirmed and open hater of Black Africans and who had openly called for their death and destruction would have been invited to Columbia University by the President of Columbia to speak in a prestigious venue? Do you really believe that the professors and administration at Columbia would have justified this invitation to an outraged public on grounds of the requirement of openness at the university? If so, I’ve got a bridge to Brooklyn to sell you.

President Bollinger of Columbia refused to allow ROTC back onto the Columbia University campus in 2003, despite a student vote that ran 2-1 in favor of it, on grounds of U.S. armed forces discrimination against gay people (in the form of “don’t ask, don’t tell”); yet he invites to Columbia now a man whose regime is notorious for hanging gay people. Former President of Iran Khatami defended the Iranian death-penalty law for homosexuality last year at Harvard: he met no protest from the assembled academic audience (!); Human Rights Watch was esp. concerned about the hanging of two gay teenagers in Mashnad in 2005. Paul–You don’t see a contradiction or double standard here as well?

I’m not saying Ahmedinejad should be uninvited: it’s too late for that. But this is another real misstep from a major university.

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By: paul spencer https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4350 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:49:59 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4350 The question of what a Columbia University administration or academic community MIGHT have done in the 1980s is a strawman argument. The question of the presence of Ahmedinejad’s visit is all that is pertinent at present.

Why would one not want to hear and, possibly, question the current President of Iran? Does Withywindle fear the interplay; will AME wilt in the face of the erudition and perspicacious insights of Ahmedinijad’s translator?

As far as leftist academia, I thought that academe was the coliseum for intellectual battle? The fact that the lions are winning at the moment should mean that the Christians and other barbarians need to improve their tactics. Or perhaps they have already changed their strategy, deciding to take over cable “news” and talk-show radio in lieu of dominance in academia and the internet blogs.

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By: Ralph https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4349 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:05:05 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4349 Dear Joey, You couldn’t be expected to know that Prof AME had been using a lot of caps in comments on another blog and was being mocked, without explanation, for doing so. You could be expected to know that my comment was an aside to him alone. Props, anyway, to your own policing instinct.

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By: William Benzon https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4348 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:05:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4348 A Gold Star of Righteousness for JoeyHeadset, with Tough Love ribbons in red, white, and blue.

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By: Prof. AME https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4347 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:20:30 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4347 Tim, I think the feminist faculty who blocked Summers’ appearance *did* care about the poltiical impact of their political actions…on campus. Their success in blocking Summers’ appearance probably increased their collective self-confidence and appreciably increased their collective clout on campus, and any administrative or academic unit will now think twice about inviting anyone to Davis who is likely to arouse their opposition.

While this increases the self-confidence and the political power of the feminist faculty at Davis, it constitutes a negative intellectual consequence for Davis in the sense that it will likely chill debate and contrary voices on the campus. Time, maybe you think it will instead ignite opposition on the campus to such faculty ideological excess; if so, you could be right, but I think the odds are the other way.

Where you are really on target about the narcissism involved here, however, is the impact this incident will have *outside* the campus. You are right to call it evidence–and it is evidence of narcissism, yes, but of something darker, a repressive impulse amid certain kinds of faculty in disciplines whose very foundation is overtly ideological. It appears to be the same impulse we see in the awful Kilmer and Caughie essays in Academe. Hence the feminist faculty action at Davis, even if successful long-term in Davis campus politics and culture, will be used politically as a sword outside the university, against the university culture, and against the university itself.

I suspect that the Davis incident will not be forgotten–instead, it will be paired with Columbia University’s prestigious invitation the same week to the anti-semitic monster Ahmedinejad. But, I could be wrong: maybe it will be forgotten. In which case, the negative impact will be felt only at Davis itself.

Tim, I would say, finally, that this incident at Davis did not come out of nowhere. It is not isolated, and you should not be so surprised (“Headslapping”) that it occurred. It is part of a *pattern* of excess. The pattern of behavior among certain kinds of faculty–concentrated in the Humanities–seems pretty clear. The Davis case is evidence that will be seen as confirming a main thesis of KC Johnson’s book about Duke, a book which has become a best seller–a thesis to which you have raised objections as being an over-generalization. How can it not be?

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4346 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:49:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4346 It’s a side note, but I think the history of rights, even the original formulation of “natural rights”, is more complex than Ralph’s suggestion indicates. Lynn Hunt’s work is really good on this. The big thing is that I don’t think academic freedom is best conceptualized in rights terms at all, but instead in terms of the productivity of academic communities.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4345 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:47:51 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4345 I actually think it’s fine to say, after the fact, that it wasn’t the best choice on the part of the Regents given their circumstances. But that’s very different than mobilizing an attempt to block his appearance. That’s both a substantive difference (it goes against academic values) and a symbolic difference (it’s a dumb thing to do in the current context, and is evidence of a kind of narcissism in which people seriously don’t care about the political impact of political actions.)

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By: Joey Headset https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/09/21/head-slapping-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4344 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:46:22 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=432#comment-4344 Ralph: Just a suggestion. If a commenter capitalizes exactly ONE (the preceding word capitalized for emphases) word in an 82 word comment (yeah, I counted), I think you can probably resist the impusle to give that commenter a hard time about it. Honestly, one single word in capital letters isn’t the inter-web version of shouting. ONLY EXTENDED USE OF CAPS IN A COMMENT IS ACTUALLY INTERPRETED AS SHOUTING!1!!!eleven!!11!.

So, please: save your caps-police vigilantism for people who enter comments entirely in caps. Not for those who capitalize one solitary word, for crying out freaking loud.

Regarding the post itself… I really wish that all the institutions that are controlled by right-wing ideologues were subject to the same kind of internal hand wringing that academics bring to the issue of lefty dominance of academe. Do left-wing ideologues control academe? Yeah, probably. For those keeping score, that’s institutions controlled by left ideologues: one. Institutions controlled by right wing ideologues; FREAKING LOTS AND LOTS OF THEM. And, BTW, that run of harsh and uncouth capital letters were very much intended to be interpreted as the inter-web version of shouting. Deal with it.

In conclusion, I would say that academics need not concern themselves with the leftiness of their own instutions until all the right wingers start wringing their hands blue about ALL the insitutions they disproportionately control.

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