Comments on: There Must Be a Word https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:21:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: The Constructivist https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3989 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:21:53 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3989 Ask Harold Bloom….

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By: Rob MacD https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3987 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:11:48 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3987 As usual, The Simpsons provides, if not a term, at least something to say in these situations. When Krusty gets prank-called (a staple of his own act) by the johnny-come-lately marionette Gabbo, he shouts into the telephone, “If this is anybody but Steve Allen, you’re stealing my bit!”

So whenever questions of precedence and priority erupt among my creative friends, somebody is liable to say “If this is anybody but [actual originator], [purported originator] is stealing [intermediary]’s bit!” or some variation.

“If this is anybody but J.R.R. Tolkien, J.K. Rowling is stealing Susan Cooper’s bit!”

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3983 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:06:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3983 “anachronism” actually covers it pretty well; I’m not sure why I didn’t think of that one earlier.

They’re all nice ways of saying “ignorant blather,” anyway….

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By: daddy democrat https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3981 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:31:24 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3981 That last sentence was supposed to begin “It does seem ODD to imply….”

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By: daddy democrat https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3980 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:50:07 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3980 I don’t have the answer to your question, but it’s some sort of logical fallacy.

Edward Tufte points out strange use of the word “influences” to describe the relationship between an artist/work and an earlier artist/work. As though the agency existed within the person in the past, and the later person was merely the passive recipient of the predecessor’s intentions. It does seem to imply that an artist draws on earlier works, consciously or unconsciously.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3976 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:37:07 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3976 “prescient derivative”

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By: Jason Mittell https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3973 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:20:45 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3973 How about “derivative precedence”? Or in a bit more casual lingo “anticipatory rip-off”? The term should be saved for works where the derivative work transcends & exceeds the value of its origins – “Darkseid was an anticipatory rip-off of Darth Vader.”

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By: Jmayhew https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3972 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:18:39 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3972 If I understand you correctly, It’s confusing the order in which one learns of things oneself with the order in which they occurred chronologically. That’s a little more subtle than post hoc propter hoc, which is simply confusing sequence with causation.

I don’t have a fancy name for it, but I’ve experienced it many times. For example, thinking Unamuno’s Niebla was a cliché because I’d read many books written after Niebla that did the same thing.

Maybe “narcissistic anachronism”?

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By: Withywindle2 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3970 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:45:15 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3970 (Same as Withywindle; logging in from a different computer.)

I think the phrase/word you’re looking for may be:

accidental coincidence / homoplasy – A reading whose similarity with a corresponding reading in another text is not due to common descent.

http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/tc/glossary.htm

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/08/06/there-must-be-a-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3969 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:04:33 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=416#comment-3969 “Ahistorical” is the closest thing we’ve got, I think.

If you want a neologism, some combination of Chronological and Confusion might work: “Chronofusion” perhaps?

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