Comments on: Slippery and Sticky https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: mfriedman https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-7220 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:30:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-7220 As CEO of a public relations firm, my policy for twenty years has always been “only the truth.” Lies and PR inevitably collide – now the press is bad.

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By: joeo https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3855 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:23:03 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3855 “Cultural Selection” does not hold up well at all. The part about the clustering of prominent authors in newly opened niches was good but that was about it.

One chapter (as part of a defense of the multicultural critiques) states that the multicultural critiques of literature are analogous to recovered memories of child sexual abuse. That doesn’t make for a very persuasive argument in 2007.

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By: joe o https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3670 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:53:27 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3670 I liked the “made to stick” book. It was clear and easy to read.

I don’t think most PR problems are ones where lying is needed. Consider selling the Zune. It probably isn’t as good as an ipod but it had a lot of different features that the Microsoft PR guys would like to point out to people. The factors that the Heath brothers discuss could have been useful.

I just ordered “Cultural Selection” from Abebooks where it is real cheap.

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By: stuartbuck@msn.com https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3669 Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:37:03 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3669 d get much traction even if I used all the other authoritative tricks and turns of the earlier rumor. </i> So, try it. It would be an interesting sociological experiment: Come up with 10 or 12 different ideas, vary them on the dimensions that you'd like to measure, send out the newly-crafted urban legends to your email list (preferably your non-academic friends, I suppose), and see how long it takes for a relative or neighbor to send you the same urban legend. ]]> If I tried to start a rumor that cheddar cheese from Canada was spreading a disease, I doubt I’d get much traction even if I used all the other authoritative tricks and turns of the earlier rumor.

So, try it. It would be an interesting sociological experiment: Come up with 10 or 12 different ideas, vary them on the dimensions that you’d like to measure, send out the newly-crafted urban legends to your email list (preferably your non-academic friends, I suppose), and see how long it takes for a relative or neighbor to send you the same urban legend.

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By: William Benzon https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3667 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:55:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3667 Yes, Gary Taylor’s book is worthwhile, much better than most of the memetics nonsense.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3666 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:46:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3666 The six characteristics are necessary but not sufficient in other words.

(I wonder if successful rumor propagation isn’t essentially the same question as hit movies, popular songs and bestselling books.)

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3664 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:19:16 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3664 Oh, I think that rumors and urban legends alight on very particular kinds of prior common sense, and those definitely sometimes have to do with things like race, gender, and so on. The common urban legend in African-American communities about Kentucky Fried Chicken being loaded with chemicals intended to sterilize consumers is drawing on all sorts of racially loaded histories to achieve credibility.

I should add, though, that Gary Alan Fine once wrote an interesting piece on commodity rumors (which I drew on for a scholarly piece I wrote on the subject much later) where he pointed out that some of the most common food and product rumors actually have a relatively minor basis in fact–he found a couple of court cases in which foreign objects/unusual meats were found to have been in fried fast food, for example. But real cases don’t explain why certain stories and rumors propagate so readily and powerfully.

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By: emschwar https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3663 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:48:50 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3663 Do we buy bananas from anywhere that’s not mostly populated by brown-skinned people? What makes you think the original rumormongers picked Costa Rica for any reason other than: “Bob, where do bananas come from?” “Gee, I dunno… this one says Costa Rica….” “Brilliant!”

That said, I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable for the Heaths to not address lies; from what you say (I haven’t read the book myself), it sounds like they’re concentrating on what makes communication work; the kind of malinformation the story from the Microsoft rep you link to engages in by definition doesn’t stick. He’s covering up, everybody knows it, and there’s nothing we can do about it. For it to stick by the Heath’s definition, I suspect they’d require that a lot of people believe him, and I think you’d have to work fairly hard to find anyone that does.

As for power, well, power matters, but it’s not the primary mover of an idea. It can make you aware of something you otherwise wouldn’t have heard of, but it can’t make you like it– the message itself has to appeal, at least somewhat. Power can make a marginal idea popular, but I don’t believe it can make a truly bad one popular. Of course, that’s a poor argument, as I can easily claim any idea that’s popular is by definition not “truly bad”, but I think we’re dealing with slightly looser arguments here. 🙂

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3662 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:17:16 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3662 Good point, eh?

There’s probably a way to sell any idea or meme, if you think on it.

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By: back40 https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2007/06/19/slippery-and-sticky/comment-page-1/#comment-3661 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:15:33 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=383#comment-3661 d get much traction even if I used all the other authoritative tricks and turns of the earlier rumor." BSE. Canada has had trouble with the disease. Their cattle products are viewed with suspicion by those who are focused on this issue. I can imagine some clever Heathian rumor sticking, at least for a while, even though it is a scientific absurdity. Not that this contradicts you points. It may make them a bit less sticky though.]]> “If I tried to start a rumor that cheddar cheese from Canada was spreading a disease, I doubt I’d get much traction even if I used all the other authoritative tricks and turns of the earlier rumor.”

BSE. Canada has had trouble with the disease. Their cattle products are viewed with suspicion by those who are focused on this issue. I can imagine some clever Heathian rumor sticking, at least for a while, even though it is a scientific absurdity.

Not that this contradicts you points. It may make them a bit less sticky though.

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