Comments on: Antibooks https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:42:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: john theibault https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2416 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:42:33 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2416 Late to the game, but since you’ve touched on one of my mini-obsessions…

I agree with you and John Emerson that the libaries on LT do tend to cluster in certain areas which strongly influences how the unsuggester operates. I think SF and Christian probably are overrepresented in comparison to, say, romance or mysteries in LT as a whole. But at the same time, unsuggester is probably right to identify SF and Christian clusters as more marginal than romance or mysteries as well and so more likely to be an anti-book.

A fun parlor game from the unsuggester is to check for anti-book combinations that you hold in your own library. You mention one such combination for my own library: we have both The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe and Contingency, Irony, and Solidarity (though we have our LWW in a box set which is probably not counted by the algorithm used by Unsuggester). I suspect that if you searched your catalog carefully, you could also come up with a anti-book combination that you have.

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By: Endie https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2406 Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:18:41 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2406 Bless me for a sky-taught ingenue, but I have to admit I actually rather liked that, withy! I’d never heard of Silly Wizard (had to turn to Wikipedia) nor of that song. I’ll send it to my father – the Revd of the family – with line 3 highlighted as a warning… 🙂

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2405 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:34:15 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2405 Silly Wizard, *The Parish of Dunkeld*

Oh, what a parish, a terrible parish;
Oh, what a parish is that o’ Dunkeld.
They hangit their minister, droon’d their precentor,
Dang doun the steeple and fuddled the bell.

The steeple was doun but the kirk was still staunin’,
They biggit a lum whaur the bell used to hang.
A stell-pat they gat and they brewed Hielan’ whisky;
On Sundays they drank it and ranted and sang.

O, had you but seen how graceful it lookit,
To see the crammed pews sae socially joined.
MacDonald the piper stood up in the poopit,
He made the pipes skirl out the music divine.

Wi’ whiskey and beer they’d curse and they’d swear;
They’d argue and fecht what ye daurna weel tell.
Bout Geordie and Charlie they bothered fu’ rarely
Wi’ whisky they’re worse than the devil himsel’.

When the hairt-cheerin’ spirit had mounted their garret,
Tae a ball on the green they a’ did adjourn.
The maids wi’ coats kilted, they skippit and liltit,
When tired they shook hands and then hame did return.

If the kirks a’ owre Scotland held like social meetin’s
Nae warnin’ ye’d need from a far-tinklin’ bell,
For true love and friends wad draw ye thegither
Far better than roarin’ the horrors o’ hell.

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By: Endie https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2404 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:13:06 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2404 Actually, now I think about it, he sorta did. It’s called “Whit” and it’s the really rather funny story of the teenaged Elect Of God of a minor Scottish sect who travels to “Babylondon” to retreive an apostate. You probably can’t be a Scottish novelist for 20-odd books or so and not end up turning to Calvin or the Brethren for a storyline at some point.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2403 Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:18:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2403 Or Ian Banks should write an evangelical bodice-ripper set in Scotland.

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By: Endie https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2402 Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:04:46 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2402 I started off with Irvine Welsh’s Trainspotting, which is pretty representative of at least a chunk of mycollection, and found that I owned several of the unsuggestions (including Josephus, which I had entered in a different edition, two Lewis’s and a Calvin which I had yet to enter).

Readers of Complicity, by Ian Banks, are apparently particularly unlikely to own the 9/11 Commission Report. Possibly a reflection on the Scottishness of the audience for his non-sci-fi work.

But yep, you seem right that owners of, for instance, Scottish contemporary fiction don’t often seem to have large evangelical or bodice-ripping collections. Those two groups should get together and go drinking some time.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2400 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:37:33 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2400 Yeah, the Amazon findings are really interesting, I recall blogging about it a goodly while ago.

It would be interesting to try and parse more precisely how many LT collections are fantasy-exclusive, how many are hard-SF exclusive, and so on. But I think there would have to be more heterogenity among the collections there–I think the highly motivated collectors there tend to be people with the most comprehensive and far-reaching collections of a particular sub-type (SF/fantasy, theology and religion, political philosophy, etc.)

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2399 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:22:01 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2399 And the whole business of paid vs unpaid members. I haven’t ponied up, which means that my collection stops at less than 300, well below half of just what I have in Germany. So I’m in with about 60 German-language titles, plus something like G-N (authors) in the non-mass-market part of the shelves.

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By: laurel https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2398 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:33:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2398 Notably, Cormac McCarthy’s All the Pretty Horses doesn’t make the 75 cut-off.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/12/11/antibooks/comment-page-1/#comment-2397 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:26:30 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=309#comment-2397 There was discussion of politically partisan reading habits as based on the Amazon “Customers who bought this item” a while back. See:

http://www.orgnet.com/divided.html
http://www.orgnet.com/divided2.html

Not entirely unrelated.

But what about the divides within speculative fiction? Do people ominverously read everything from Hal Clement to Piers Anthony? Or can one detect the fractioning out of reading habits within the SF field?

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