Comments on: That Sinking Feeling, or the Art and Science of Lecturing https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:42:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2312 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:42:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2312 David, I actually agree with you about lecturing up to a point. Where I think it is still efficient in some respect is in combining and synthesizing large amounts of information which have not been well synthesized or combined in any written material, and where it would not be an efficient use of my time to try and write out a fully realized essay for students to read. My lectures are from outlines, never completely written out essays. To write out all the information I’m synthesizing in a lecture for distribution to the class would be the equivalent of writing a short book, just for a single class.

In a way, this speaks to a sort of complex truth embedded in the common assumption that professors just walk into a classroom and start spewing out their intrinsic erudition. I can produce a lecture in part because of all the things I know which my students do not yet know; to try in one gulp to transfer all the things I know about a particular specific topic through writing, to externalize all the things I know, would be very hard.

There’s also a question of the value of repetition, and of the mnemonic value of listening to a lecture and taking notes. I know I’ve always learned best by reading and noting things from my reading, but that is not the only learning style out there in the world. I’ve definitely known people who simply can’t retain things from reading, who have to hear it, write notes on it. When I first start teaching at Swarthmore, even in my surveys, I largely avoided lecture, and I had a definite constituency of students pretty much beg me for more lectures when I did my course evaluations. I don’t think that was just Pavlovian on their part: it reallys reflected the fact that this was the way they learned best.

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By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2311 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:12:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2311 To my esteemed colleague from Massachusetts, dkane, (sorry I’m listening to a c-span Senate hearing), the word on the street has it that Prof. Burke’s lectures are the epitome of great teaching.

Prof. Burke’s self-critique probably needs to be put in proper perspective: his students are in awe of his lecturing and his teaching in general. They literally take on a reverent tone when talking about his classes. I know for a fact that his teaching generates thoughtful discussion; I’ve had the pleasure of listening to two students recount a Burke course around the dinner table months after the fact (compete with standup impersonations of classroom characters). The enthusiasm was palpable. He apparently has a knack of getting students to think, which is what teaching is all about in my book.

From the reports I get, he’s the kind of professor (like a Don Gifford) who students will remember decades later. Prof. Burke’s influence even extends hundreds of miles away as the word “trope” has now become a fixture in our family’s vernacular!

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By: dkane https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2310 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:30:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2310 I think that your meta-problem is that lecturing is a ridiculously inefficient method of teaching. Why not just type out what you are going to say and hand it to students? They can read much more quickly than you can speak. They can focus on confusing topics and skim the material that they already know.

Lecturing is not teaching. Longer argument here.

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By: Miles https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2309 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:20:28 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2309 I’m obviously not a professor, but I think the format of the lecture worked reasonably well. Glancing back at my notes, it seems you basically broke it all into three sections—”Africa is having *major* issues,” “Continental problems which also impact Southern Africa,” and “Continental problems which don’t really impact Southern Africa.”

The only (small) issue I noticed, looking at my notes, was in the first “Africa in trouble” section, you brought up quite a few Southern African-specific statistics, and then moved into the much broader second category, That said, I didn’t really notice the issue in class, putting the lecture worlds ahead some lectures I’ve had at Swat so far.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2308 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:52:31 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2308 Yes. Production of History shortly (late tonight or early tomorrow); Development in Africa by Monday (I hope).

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By: CMarko https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2307 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:16:05 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2307 Apropos of teaching: Are you planning on posting syllabi for the other two classes you’re doing next semester? I’m very curious about both of them.

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By: Alan Baumler https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2306 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:24:18 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2306 Tim,

Do you think you were maybe too hung up on flow? I always try to get what I am doing to flow nicely and all make sense. Sometimes it does. Sometimes I realize it does not as I am going along and in the panic of the moment come up with a good (or at least plausible) way to fix it. That makes me feel smart. Of course nowadays I usually post an outline at the start of class so there is less room for that.
Sometime even by design however I up and tell that that A and B are not going to fit together, or that the significance of something I am talking about now will not be fully explained until later. I need to sort of stop and point out to them that this is a lecture not a high-wire act. I have never actually stopped halfway through and told them that the lecture seemed to be turning into a train wreck, but I suppose it would work. I actually like pointing out what the different parts of a lecture are supposed to do, as students are not likely to see a lecture as an artifact unless encouraged to do so. YMMV.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2305 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:21:20 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2305 I think you have to give background now on the topic, which was one of the small problems I had in this lecture. It definitely isn’t in the common memory of students any longer.

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By: jfruh https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/11/16/that-sinking-feeling-or-the-art-and-science-of-lecturing/comment-page-1/#comment-2303 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:07:17 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=299#comment-2303 Here’s a question for you. Can you even give a lecture to college students in 2006 and talk about the Cold War and assume they know in a general way what that was about? Or is it ancient history for them and you have to give a little background.

I was a TA for an ancient history class full of freshmen in 1997 and I remember in section I was attempting to use the (first, now) Gulf War as an metaphor for something or other, and suddenly I noticed all the blank stares and realized I might as well have been talking about the Spanish-American War. It made me feel pretty old — and I was 23!

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