Comments on: Recap https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/09/05/recap/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:13:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: The Constructivist https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/09/05/recap/comment-page-1/#comment-1932 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:13:10 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=269#comment-1932 Wondering how many in the Bush admin during the Iraq War planning stages read John Dower’s *Embracing Defeat*, an exhaustive survey of the American occupation of Japan. (Maybe Cheney and Rumfeld had, which could explain why they systematically marginalized experts on Iraq, just as MacArthur did to most of that era’s Japan specialists.) Also wondering how many academics are planning comparative studies of modern US occupations (Reconstruction, Philippines, Haiti, Japan) as the Iraq occupation drags on w/no end in sight.

Stratfor, for what it’s worth, reads Iraq/Lebanon as two fronts in a regional war between the US and Iranian proxies that the US is badly losing….

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By: bbenzon https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/09/05/recap/comment-page-1/#comment-1904 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:34:52 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=269#comment-1904 s anus" line. But it's not an elephant. It's more domestic. ]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjC-RDnUZfE

The above “South Park” tribute to Steve Irwin ends with an image the evokes your “head up an elephant’s anus” line. But it’s not an elephant. It’s more domestic.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/09/05/recap/comment-page-1/#comment-1901 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:25:54 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=269#comment-1901 Just “recap” in the sense that I’ve said most of this before. I don’t like to flog the same message too many times.

As a concept, “third way” has kind of a complicated history. It was drawn in part out of the work of British sociologist Anthony Giddens, and cited by Tony Blair as a model. Clinton also liked the term and the concept, and to some extent it was seen as the operating approach of the Democratic Leadership Council. I suppose that in a nutshell is the issue that progressives might have. Giddens, as I read him, was really trying to think about some way to approach a set of intractable problems that divided the left and right in new ways. As Blair and Clinton used the term, it sometimes just meant the kind of centrism where you borrow a little of this and a little of that, to balance out your poll numbers. The organization in question I know a little bit about at this point: my sense of it is that it is somewhat like the New America Foundation in a lot of its ambitions–more of what Jonathan Rauch has called “radical centrism”, a centrist program that is intended to be more principled, more based on a consistent set of underlying ideas.

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By: hestal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/09/05/recap/comment-page-1/#comment-1898 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:11:49 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=269#comment-1898 I went over to DailyKos (self-proclaimed progressive heaven) and did a three-month search on “third way” and found nothing except one diary in August that was about Clinton and Lieberman. There was a list of organizations that “had their chance,” and “Third Way” was in the list. Nothing else was said. In any case Dkos folks would love to produce a report as good as the one on Third Way. Dkos is interesting to me — it seems so elfin.

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By: hestal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/09/05/recap/comment-page-1/#comment-1897 Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:54:17 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=269#comment-1897 I scanned the Iraq report over at Third Way and it was terrific.

Is this history recap going somewhere? I mean do you have a project of some sort in mind of which this is a part?

Anyhow I agree with your recap, but it depresses me somewhat to think that all we can do to change things is hope that our elections sytem operates properly and that the electorate will do the right things.

It is just on the edge of possibility now, but I think that by 2012 we will see major polling organizations handicapping their state-wide projections in the Presidential election by including a factor for votes cast but not counted. I predicted, on the record, that such an element should have been included in 2004. The equipment we have in the field, the ease of hacker manipulation, and the corrupt officials we have here and there make it increasingly possible that we will have a failure of the system soon.

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