Comments on: You Can’t Tell the Players Without a Scorecard https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:44:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Aaron Friedman https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1903 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:44:06 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1903 The context for the flock of bees thing is really interesting. Can’t wait to see the book! But my point was just that you need *some* content in between the introduction of new names, or else it turns into a Biblical “and Phares begat Esrom” sort of passage.

Re “translating” names into English — I had in mind something like what Norman Davies does in “Rising ’44: The Battle for Warsaw”.

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By: jliving https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:08:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1884 I like the series of diagrams idea. Diagrams are always fun (though of course holograms would be the most fun) and the more the better. I also think that part of what makes African history a hard read for Americans, is the inability to mentally pronounce the African names or terms (this is particularly the case in southern Africa, because of the unfamiliar consonants). Surely it is too cumbersome in the body of the text — but perhaps in the diagrams it might be possible to put a phonetic pronunciation in parentheses. This no doubt would annoy some people, but the reason could be explained in a note in the preface. Once you can pronounce someone’s name then it becomes a bit easier to keep track of them, than when you were busy trying to remember who –some guy whose name begins with m and has a few syllables and a b somewhere – is, only to run into another person whose name has these same characteristics in the next paragraph.

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By: Ellen https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1882 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:53:36 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1882 Dear Prof Burke,

I’d like to suggest you have to remember your readers use your book in ways you may not be thinking of. I am just now working on a paper about a 17th century English/Scots woman and reading secondary sources in which the internecine politics of the royalist and protectorate spy groups and conspiracies are detailed. I trawl through looking for citations of a man who was a spy at the time and this woman’s husband/bethrothed. Also of her.

So I want complexity.

As a writer I’ve confronted this problem in the one biography I wrote. I opted for simplifying in the text and adding details in the notes.

Ellen

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1880 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:09:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1880 Ah, Botticelli. Fun.

Anyway, I think it would be considered bad form to translate the names–most of them don’t have a literal meaning, but also even those that do aren’t understood as such by indigenous people, any more than you think that someone named “John Smith” is the child of a blacksmith.

The flock of bees thing actually connects to a larger argument in the chapter, which is that Shona political theory, in my view, generally embraces a concept of political agency which is about indirection and the use of invisible powers. This is somewhat similar to common ideas about illness throughoout southern Africa, that a good deal of illness reflects social antagonism rather than purely naturalistic causes. Another example of this is actually the failure of Raguma to assassinate Munhuwepayi–he ended up just blowing off Munhuwepayi’s arm. Many people believed that this was evidence that Munhuwepayi was meant to be chief, not evidence that Raguma was a bad shot–there’s a deep assumption here that events in the natural and physical world are a kind of visible evidence of the action of invisible powers.

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By: Aaron Friedman https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1879 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:45:14 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1879 As someone who struggles with names in Tolstoy (and in real life), I’ve thought about this issue before. Two ideas:

1. Is there a chance some of the names have another meaning that can be translated into English? Calling a character “Runs With Water” is no improvement (and you don’t want to sound Native American); I’m thinking more of names like “Jimmy the Snake” which fit the conspiratorial narrative. You could have both “Gomba” and “Gomba the Weasel” and no one will confuse the two.

2. The biggest problem with the quoted passage is an over-compressed exposition. It’s hard to meet 50 people at a party all at once, but it’s possible one at a time.

For example, after the passage where Chirodza stages “a coup d’etat by sending a flock of bees to sting Mungate to death,” I would want to know:

— How do you “send” bees anywhere?
— Had this method of assassination ever worked before?
— How old was Chirodza? Was this a childish fantasy?
— Was the story apocryphal and told to mock Chirodza, or to justify his later assassination?

After a paragraph on the bee issue, Chirodza’s name will finally sink in. And then on to the drowning…

By the way, hello Tim! I took one of your classes in Spring 1998, and you came in to co-host my radio Botticelli show for a couple of months the next year. Long-time listener, first-time caller, love the blog…

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By: domurphy https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1876 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1876 Have you considered presenting a boiled-down version of events in the main text, and then putting the details in an appendix to the chapter, so that people who want more information can look them up and other readers don’t get bogged down? This isn’t the most elegant way out, but authors presenting technical material sometimes do this, e.g. putting all the equations in an appendix. Think of it as a very long endnote. I think this solution works well.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1872 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:47:10 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1872 t tempt me with the action figure idea, seriously." A useful reminder of the title of the blog...]]> “Don’t tempt me with the action figure idea, seriously.”

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1870 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:09:15 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1870 In the larger chapter, I think (I hope) it’s clear why I think this is important. First, because it demonstrates an argument I want to make about the nature of Shona political and social action, particularly the uses of violence and the commonality of conspiracy. Second, because I’m arguing that the colonial state actually had remarkably little effect on the interior politics of chiefship and lineage. This leads up to an argument that a lot of the “deep grammar” of Shona political theory and Shona social agency continues to influence contemporary Zimbabwean affairs, and from that to an argument that we should be able to appreciate the sophistication and complexity, the “civilized” character, of precolonial, colonial and contemporary Shona political imagination, but that appreciation doesn’t have to be endorsement–that in the end, conspiracy, indirect action, and assassination are a lousy way to run the railroad.

Don’t tempt me with the action figure idea, seriously.

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By: Phil Palmer https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:59:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1869 How about a range of action figures? Chirodza and his deadly bee-hive, Gatsi and Muchemwa with tying-up ropes, etc.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/29/you-cant-tell-the-players-without-a-scorecard/comment-page-1/#comment-1867 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:56:41 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=264#comment-1867 Would you consider adding in local expectations of magic, adding maps and selling it as a major fantasy novel?

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