Comments on: Getting the Cool Job https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:31:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: laurel https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1881 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:31:24 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1881 yeah, I guess you could think of it as a combination of 1 and 3. my personal route was to both volunteer for an organization I liked and make sub-poverty wages in two dead-end positions. Most people I know, not being able to buy food and pay rent without some kind of job, did something similar. I wish I’d known when I graduated how valuable a part-time crap job – the kind you don’t mind quitting on 2 weeks notice, and could quit immediately if necessary – can be. I also wished I’d known that you don’t need an internship to volunteer. Honestly, just showing up can be just as valuable: if you do good work, people will still think you’re cool, respect you, and put you at the top of the list if they have hiring or referring to do. You don’t need a title. That can even be true if the organization doesn’t think it needs volunteers: you can show up, do grunt work, and eventually say, hey, it seems like we need some funding for whatever. Why don’t I write a grant proposal? Why don’t I figure out a way to make this other thing work better? That puts you way, way up at the top of the list.

Another thing I realized after college is that living? especially if you avoid NY/SF/DC? it doesn’t have to be that expensive. I lived in Philadelphia on $11,000, and while I was broke all the time, I also ate organic vegetables and drank decent unfancy beer and lived somewhere I liked and did not rack up credit card debt. I also had certain kinds of luck, but I don’t think it’s impossible to replicate – many, many people live in Philly (and other cities) on less than that.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1874 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:43:25 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1874 I think that’s a combination of 1 and 3, in some ways. You show up to do something, maybe on an internship, get to know people, be involved, try to make sure that people know you’re around and that they see what you’re capable of. If you have a choice between volunteering for an organization that might be connected to something you want to do and making sub-poverty wages in a dead-end position, if there’s any chance at all that you can keep buying food and paying rent for a while doing the volunteer thing, that might be better than a job that pays almost nothing, uses up lots of time, and goes nowhere.

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By: laurel https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1873 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:05:59 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1873 Route 6: volunteer with a Cool Organization that you’d be interested in working for, even if you’re flat broke and they have no job opportunities in the next 50 years. You end up meeting other Cool People who do similar work, and if the organization has a good name in that field, your volunteer work there can be the card that gets you a job you want. You also get the chance to establish yourself as a Cool Person and put the word out within that field that you’re looking for a Cool Job.

That’s basically what I did after college: didn’t have a job, worked some crap (paralegal for a bully) and less crap (cooking, small-time organic garden work, grant-writing) jobs, all of them part-time, tutored physics, raked leaves, dog-sat, and meanwhile volunteered with one of the only 2 outdoor ed programs in Philadelphia. Eventually, I got a job with the other one because they knew Woodrock’s name.

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By: zp https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1854 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:09:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1854 I love this smart, generous, honest post. And I agree with daddy democrat. And maybe you could tell the kids but not their parents?

I’d also recommend a short detour through route 1 before route 2 so that the unworldly undergrad can sample a few different venues in which she might want to develop her “very specific technical proficiencies” before she commits time and money to developing them. She might, in addition to that initial detour, even detour all the way through an academia-type grad school program if she was realistic about needing some professional training afterwards to return to creative and practical employment.

The other only thing that might improve this post is if it were written advice column style – as in “Grandpa Burke Tells the Rest of the World What to Do, Dammit!” (You said it, I didn’t . . . )

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By: Jacko https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1846 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:04:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1846 Some observations:

Being successful in Route 4 (Hanging out your own shingle) is likely to involve many of the same activities as Route 3 (Being a nuisance) and therefore involve many of the same risks. By the way, many folks might be energized by these activities. They are often called born sales people, which brings up an omission in your article; people’s personality in helping them get ahead in life and generally how suited they are to any given profession despite their formal training.

I believe younger folks especially don’t in general use a very powerful version of Route 5: Get a job (almost any one) preferably in a company with potential in an industry you would like to build your career in. Get promotions and be ready to move to other companies often to move up the ladder. Assuming you are good at what you do, you will be very successful in less than 10 years. The labor market is tight and will be for years. Use it to your advantage to move around and therefore up.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1840 Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:01:44 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1840 Then there’s being in enough different places at enough different times that something interesting comes your way, and having the gumption to grab it when it does. That may be related to #3, but without the implication that going out and meeting people is inherently a nuisance.

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By: Nick Fagerlund https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1836 Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:40:02 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1836 Whaddaya know–end of August in the year after my graduation, and that was exactly what I needed to read right now. Thanks.

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By: Mary https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1835 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:41:21 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1835 One note on Door Number 3: if you pace yourself at it — that is, start doing it while you’re still at school, and not when the “must find food” bells are ringing — it’s do-able by normal people, field dependent. The crucial thing a field needs to allow this to work without major crazy social effort on your part is groups that you can be a big part of as a student.

I don’t know how many fields this is true of, but in software and systems admin it’s possible: Free Software development groups, user groups, that kind of thing. If you’ve been an active volunteer in one of these groups for, say, a year, long enough for people to know your name and something of your work ethic, they can be very helpful in getting you into at least only a Somewhat Leftover job, and remain good people to be in touch with after a couple of years when you have your dues at the bottom of the ladder (in computing, in my geographical area, a year or two is still enough) and want in on something Cooler. There’s still an awkward moment when you go from “so how’s that code coming along?” to “so… anyone know of any entry-ish-level jobs?” but at least you’re not talking to strangers.

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By: dsalo https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1827 Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:34:38 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1827 This post rules. I know a lot of people I wish had read it sooner (including myself!).

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/08/23/getting-the-cool-job/comment-page-1/#comment-1825 Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:03:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=259#comment-1825 Yeah, I didn’t really expect a Cool Job after graduating, though I actually kind of got a Semi-Cool Job by accident, working as a cook and salesman at a lovely little restaurant in Connecticut. I think most of my friends were clear that not much was going to be coming down the pike in the next five to ten years of our lives. But I do feel now that I have some students whom I think are really talented and smart and capable who get out of here and experience some pretty harsh feelings of disappointment and confusion about what to do next.

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