Comments on: Scattered Thoughts: War on Terror Edition https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/30/scattered-thoughts-war-on-terror-edition/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:13:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/30/scattered-thoughts-war-on-terror-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1717 Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:13:02 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=212#comment-1717 Withywindle: on the administration, no, we are not going to agree. The interesting thing about the Swift revelation is that Suskind documents to a pretty convincing degree that the Swift program had run its course, that money has gone to cash couriers among various terrorist groups. But I suppose for me it’s partly that I might give a very different group of people (Republican or Democrat) a lot more slack to carry out that kind of work. This Administration, in my view, has made it more imperative to keep track of their abuses of power than to given them slack for legitimate efforts, and that’s their own damn fault, not mine.

On abortion. I take murder seriously, very seriously. I don’t require a Constitutional amendment spelling out the specifics of murder. And so on. What is it about abortion that can’t be dealt with by statute? What requires a specifically Constitutional solution? The definition of a fetus as a person? Let me observe that a) this is the most contentiously religious/cultural question involved in the entire debate, and one I’d suggest we’re all better off leaving to individual judgement and b) a Constitutional solution might even have implications that anti-abortion advocates would find uncomfortable. For example, if you put language into the Constitution, fundamental language, that defines the fetus as a person, surely that casts doubt one even the “abortion in the case of danger to the mother’s health” interventions. It surely invites a major slew of derivative interventions into the state management of pregnancy. And so on. There are reasons to doubt just on that level alone whether it’s a good idea to make this a Constitutional rather than statutory change. (This is assuming you’re anti-abortion in the first place.)

I seem to remember some very similiar arguments about the ERA, which today I would generally agree with.

More importantly, I don’t see this Administration as even remotely sincere in their efforts in this regard. It’s bread and circuses, a toss to its political base. In fact, it reinforces my feeling of their total lack of sincerity about their “war claims”: a genuine war president would put national unity at the absolute imperative top of his list, unless the war was a civil one, as in Lincoln’s case.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/30/scattered-thoughts-war-on-terror-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1713 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:35:39 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=212#comment-1713 When you talk of myopia and obsession with phantoms, I confess to pot and kettle thoughts. I do think that the ideals and practices you espouse are, in point of fact, shared in theory and practice by the Bush administration far more than you care to acknowledge. However, this is not a point you are likely to be convinced about anytime soon. A specific point or two, however:

1) “Much of what is going to happen on the global scale of this conflict is not readable in the daily press of events, only in the slow accumulation of changes, movements, flows of money and information and organization. This has been one of my chief complaints all along about both the rhetoric and concrete policies of the Bush Administration.”

This recent Swift revelation is precisely about following “flows of money.” Isn’t this program, therefore, something you would support? Wasn’t the action of the NYT and LAT in revealing it against what you support? Or is accumulating knowledge about flows of money not what you were talking about?

2) You refer to the trivial statutory goals of abortion policy. Those of us who are pro-life cannot take your complaints about liberty and virtue seriously so long as you talk about the murder of millions as trivial.

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By: texter https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/30/scattered-thoughts-war-on-terror-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1704 Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:05:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=212#comment-1704 Fixing that mistake is going to take more than closing Gitmo (which in this Administration probably just means a greater reliance on renditions and prison camps further away from public view).

So scary and so true.

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By: hwc https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/30/scattered-thoughts-war-on-terror-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1703 Sat, 01 Jul 2006 06:24:57 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=212#comment-1703 I would think the Democrats would be licking their chops at the opportunity to run against someone calling for INCREASED troop deployments to Iraq. That strikes me as a very difficult sell. Two more years and the American public won’t care about winning or losing for the people of Iraq, just getting the hell out.

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By: joeo https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/30/scattered-thoughts-war-on-terror-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1701 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:36:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=212#comment-1701 s a mistake for the Democrats who are against the war to pin their star to a demand for troop withdrawals. I think it’s politically wiser to make this coming campaign about competence, accountability, responsibility. This could be the best move politically. But, I don't think incompetence is the problem with the Iraq war. Invading Iraq was a bad idea for reasons we knew about in 1990. There wasn't some competent way to invade and ocuppy Iraq that would avoid our current problems. Making the case for troop withdrawl is a pretty good move for the Democrats now. The worst thing for them politically is for bush, aided by democrat silence, to keep the status quo for 3 years and then the democrats have to face McCain in 2008 who wants to raise troop levels in Iraq. If our occupation is "incompetent", it is hard to argue against raising troop levels. ]]> >I think it’s a mistake for the Democrats who are against the war to pin their star to a demand for troop withdrawals. I think it’s politically wiser to make this coming campaign about competence, accountability, responsibility.

This could be the best move politically. But, I don’t think incompetence is the problem with the Iraq war. Invading Iraq was a bad idea for reasons we knew about in 1990. There wasn’t some competent way to invade and ocuppy Iraq that would avoid our current problems.

Making the case for troop withdrawl is a pretty good move for the Democrats now. The worst thing for them politically is for bush, aided by democrat silence, to keep the status quo for 3 years and then the democrats have to face McCain in 2008 who wants to raise troop levels in Iraq. If our occupation is “incompetent”, it is hard to argue against raising troop levels.

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