Comments on: Unmaskings https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:59:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1696 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:59:21 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1696 If it were the precondition of interesting stories, I’d have no problem with it. If, on the other hand, it forced a series of compulsory stories that no one especially wanted to tell but that had to follow from the earlier story, that’s less attractive.

For example, I would have been very happy if Marvel had chosen to tell a series of stories about what happens in the aftermath of a global conflict after Busiek’s Kang saga, if those stories were themselves interesting. If on the other hand they were formulaic make-work, there’s no reason to prefer them over any other kind of formulaic make-work, and it’s preferable that the company just pretend that the story as told never “really” happened.

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By: frisbiefulton https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1695 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:52:36 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1695 t help but reference certain silver age storylines or retell them. The only difference is that they choose to ignore specific continuity. I'm the type of comic reader that loses interest in a book if a creative team I enjoy leaves or a story ends, and absolutely prefer the singular vision of the same writer sticking around to tell the whole story. I have grown very tired over the years of worthwhile advancements in a story being completely reversed when the next team takes over (Hey kids! Just like politics!), so maybe what is needed is to completely break from ongoing series, as much of a tradition as they are. We are currently seeing a shift in the medium to writing for the collected trade, which does wonders for story structure and sells to wider audiences, so why not? Alan Moore wrote original superhero stories that created the illusion of worlds larger than the current story, and often alluded to the continuity and characters of other comic companies while creating unique stories with beginnings, middles, and ends. Grant Morrison and others have been allowed to write the stories they want to write, accepting or ignoring continuity as they choose. I’d feel a lot better if the current Civil War storyline was just the “Bendisverse” and wasn’t in danger of affecting future Spiderman stories that I might actually end up reading. ]]> Continuity and expectations have ruined creative freedom on a lot of these iconic and established characters. Despite all kinds of reboots, alternate timelines and dimensions, deaths and rebirths, abiding by or ignoring the comics code, characters that were created 45-60 years ago have been written by hundreds of writers and have been pulled in even more directions within continuity. Even so called “fresh starts” like the Ultimate line or All Star Superman can’t help but reference certain silver age storylines or retell them. The only difference is that they choose to ignore specific continuity.

I’m the type of comic reader that loses interest in a book if a creative team I enjoy leaves or a story ends, and absolutely prefer the singular vision of the same writer sticking around to tell the whole story. I have grown very tired over the years of worthwhile advancements in a story being completely reversed when the next team takes over (Hey kids! Just like politics!), so maybe what is needed is to completely break from ongoing series, as much of a tradition as they are. We are currently seeing a shift in the medium to writing for the collected trade, which does wonders for story structure and sells to wider audiences, so why not?

Alan Moore wrote original superhero stories that created the illusion of worlds larger than the current story, and often alluded to the continuity and characters of other comic companies while creating unique stories with beginnings, middles, and ends. Grant Morrison and others have been allowed to write the stories they want to write, accepting or ignoring continuity as they choose. I’d feel a lot better if the current Civil War storyline was just the “Bendisverse” and wasn’t in danger of affecting future Spiderman stories that I might actually end up reading.

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By: joeo https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:23:16 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1694 This book analyzing superhero comics since Alan Moore in terms of Bloom’s “Anxiety of Influence” theory is suprisingly good.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1693 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:49:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1693 It’s an interesting question: I think some judicious scanning could cover it. If, for example, you’re doing a week on Kirby, you could have the class buy one of the two Marvel Visionaries volumes, and then scan some panels from other Kirby and Kirby-imitating work. But you’re right, even with that, you’d still have to assign 10-12 trade paperbacks for a 14-week course, which would run about $200.00 at a minimum.

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By: The Constructivist https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1692 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:42:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1692 Tim, do you know of anyone who’s done a full semester course? A good friend of mine at U of Rochester is designing one now, but he’s the only one I know of. I can’t picture how to get around the expense issue for students. What do you think of a digital archive with subscription-based levels of access for students and professors (and others) to get around this? (It would only involve getting a bunch of competing companies to agree on a common architecture and get scanning–heh!)

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By: kmunoz https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1691 Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:14:03 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1691 Aunt May has been dead before, and Peter Parker’s love interest has been dead before (and still is), and in both cases the situation was reversed, in large part I think because the writers discovered that Parker needed characters that could ground him (make him “just like us”) and provide him with the anxiety of worrying about their safety. If these two characters do die or disappear again, I suspect it will be under Straczynski’s tenure as writer. It was JMS who had May discover who he was; it was JMS who brought MJ back after an estrangement. So he’s either learned the lesson about needing Parker to be grounded, or he brought them closer to Parker just for the purpose of eventually getting rid of them in a much more intense fashion.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1690 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:50:45 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1690 V is a marvelous counter-example.

I just caught up on Moore’s Top Ten, which I enjoyed very much even if it wasn’t Moore’s absolute best.

Haven’t taught a class on comics. I’m planning to teach a week on comics and “sequential art” using Scott McCloud in my spring course on the history of reading, though.

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By: The Constructivist https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:38:57 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1689 Tim, you have to follow up with a V for Vendetta post (either comic or movie). Check out Jodi Dean at I cite for some good blogging on Moore and masks and identity and politics (digging down in the archives, that is). V is the most important counterexample to your general point on secret identities, which is well taken, and an interesting counter to your other well-taken points about other Moore projects.

Side note, have you been following more “literary” comics like Sandman (Gaiman) or Promethea (Moore trying to one-up Gaiman) or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (the comic, definitely not the movie), which incorporate but are not limited to the superhero genre? And what’s with the British invasion that has turned writers into the comics celebs? (I stopped collecting just as Claremont and Miller and Simonson were getting recognition for writers, but it was all about the artists in my day–Claremont the only non writer-artist of the bunch making my point for me). Finally, have you ever taught a course on comics?

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By: Rob MacD https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1688 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:07:27 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1688 Agreed! I just finishing plugged Morrison’s All-Star Superman at my own blog in a long post about Superman, which I am not too proud to link to. Morrison’s just now taking over one of the Batman titles, but I believe that IS in official continuity. I wonder how that will go.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/06/23/unmaskings/comment-page-1/#comment-1687 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:18:19 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=210#comment-1687 My other long range influence thought had been “Dark Knight Returns Back-story.”

Re excessive darkness, particularly in the X-men: And of course it rather justifies either Magneto or the Sentinelistas. With this level of butchery going on, prophylactic genocide one way or the other seems rather sensible, and Xavierian sweetness and light criminally naive.

I wonder what the education schools would think of the Danger Room?

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