Comments on: Some Teaching I Have Known https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 31 May 2006 18:41:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Chris Segal https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1644 Wed, 31 May 2006 18:41:21 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1644 s job to teach us to interrogate our current political leaders and our political ideas the way it teaches us to interrogate texts or specific historical theories, but it wouldn’t hurt to make what political discussion there is more explicit. But I think that homogenous student culture is a much bigger issue, and possibly a more appropriate area for a change. For instance, in 2004 I watched one of the Bush/Kerry debates in a Swarthmore dormitory with about fifty students who cheered every time the President said “um,” and I watched another one in a dorm at the University of Maryland, where the students in attendance included both Bush and Kerry supporters and also students who seemed genuinely interested in the debate as a forum for political ideas rather than a sort of circus (whether or not it was is debatable, of course). After the debate a political science professor led us in a discussion. You can imagine which debate screening was more useful for me to attend. I don’t mean to fault Swarthmore, and I certainly was often off campus and might have missed great thought provoking events, etc, but I do think that open, serious controversy (about substantive events, mind you – not just student council elections) is something that Swarthmore needs more of. I suspect that you agree with me here – I remember a series (maybe there were two?) of panels run by Why War? in the fall of 2002 where you argued from a pro-war position so that it would be represented. But I do have the feeling that not only were almost all of my classmates at Swarthmore liberals, they were fairly inarticulate liberals as well. Which is a shame, and a real waste. ]]> That’s a great point, Tim. I’ll throw in that I think that the issue of developing rigorous reasons for the holding of specific views (political but also academic and theoretical) is a key component in higher education, and one that institutions such as Swarthmore sometimes come up a little short on in the political realm. I don’t know that it’s necessarily Swarthmore’s job to teach us to interrogate our current political leaders and our political ideas the way it teaches us to interrogate texts or specific historical theories, but it wouldn’t hurt to make what political discussion there is more explicit.

But I think that homogenous student culture is a much bigger issue, and possibly a more appropriate area for a change. For instance, in 2004 I watched one of the Bush/Kerry debates in a Swarthmore dormitory with about fifty students who cheered every time the President said “um,” and I watched another one in a dorm at the University of Maryland, where the students in attendance included both Bush and Kerry supporters and also students who seemed genuinely interested in the debate as a forum for political ideas rather than a sort of circus (whether or not it was is debatable, of course). After the debate a political science professor led us in a discussion. You can imagine which debate screening was more useful for me to attend. I don’t mean to fault Swarthmore, and I certainly was often off campus and might have missed great thought provoking events, etc, but I do think that open, serious controversy (about substantive events, mind you – not just student council elections) is something that Swarthmore needs more of.

I suspect that you agree with me here – I remember a series (maybe there were two?) of panels run by Why War? in the fall of 2002 where you argued from a pro-war position so that it would be represented. But I do have the feeling that not only were almost all of my classmates at Swarthmore liberals, they were fairly inarticulate liberals as well. Which is a shame, and a real waste.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1641 Wed, 31 May 2006 16:00:59 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1641 Thanks for that, Arthur. I think this is what Alan’s pointing to above: a professor who is open about a particular political or intellectual inclination and challenges students in those terms can potentially be a spectacular teacher who raises the level of everyone in the class, as long as they play the game fairly. I mentioned in another post a professor I had who was an intense, passionate anti-historicist, a devotee of close reading in literary studies. I found him frustrating for much of the class, but on the other hand, I put WAY more effort into my final paper for his course than I would have for any similar course, to make the strongest possible case I could for a historicist reading of The Odyssey. And he liked the paper a lot as a consequence.

In some ways, the damage to students from a faculty that are non-thoughtfully political (e.g., who assume rather than argue a politics) is often to students who agree with their assumptions rather than students who disagree. It’s why a certain kind of liberal student who takes many courses in the humanities at many universities is in for a fairly bruising encounter with the larger social and political realities around them when they graduate, while a conservative student may have had their powers of political reasoning sharpened by having to push against views they disagree with. This is another really odd thing about some of the drift of the complaints about “politicization”: in some cases, they read to me just like the complaints of various identity groups for teaching that gives them an institutional “safety net”, that builds up their identities, that protects them from the world. In some cases, this feels to me like conservatives are asking for the same thing: teaching that affirms and soothes them.

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By: abstractart https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1638 Wed, 31 May 2006 04:39:11 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1638 Since I’ve been an undergraduate more recently than others in this thread, I really should say that it’s a matter of tacit agreement among my peers that two otherwise equal papers that disagree on some matter of opinion will be graded on how closely they match the professor’s opinion.

Which isn’t an accusation of systemic bias or a left-wing conspiracy or anything, just a matter of simple human nature. People hold the opinions they do because those opinions seem to them to make more sense than other opinions. An argument that fits what they believe resonates more than an argument that goes against everything they believe. It’s easier to see the connections between facts that uphold your worldview than ones that don’t.

Good academics and good thinkers in general cultivate the ability to think with enough detachment that they’re not chained by this, but even then, it’s easier to tell the difference between a very good argument against your beliefs and a rather weak one for your beliefs than a quite good argument against your beliefs and a sort of good one for your beliefs. Some profs are more openly and stridently in favor of absolute fair play and being especially self-monitoring in cases where students are arguing from a completely different place than theirs — Tim is one of the best profs I’ve had in terms of commitment to that perspective — but I’ve had other profs, whom I’ve learned just as much from, who have been quite open about the fact that if you hold certain ideas you’re going to have to work damn hard to defend them in class compared to holding ideas the prof already agrees with.

A lot of discussions I’ve had in my years at Swarthmore have had to do with the fact that, after all, absolute objectivity is a myth and that good teaching with a political agenda is better than bad teaching without — just as good journalism with a political agenda is better than bad journalism without, or good literature with a political agenda is better than bad literature without. I personally suffer from an allergy to overt political agendas in the classroom — my own reactive nature betraying me more than anything else — but I do think campus conservatives are out of line when they claim such atmospheres make it impossible for themto learn.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1634 Tue, 30 May 2006 21:30:04 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1634 I think Doug is correct that the example of K-12 public schools is sufficiently alarming to warn us off any system of “outside monitoring”. It’s frequently used to crack down on whistleblowers, dissenters, innovators–there’s a district that’s been in the news recently here where that kind of reporting was used by a corrupt principal to shut up his critics within the teaching staff. Whatever we need, it’s got to be about a general commitment to transparency . In many ways, that protects rather threatens. Take the example of the ACTA report: when you go and actually look at the descriptions, departments and so on that they’re pointing to, I think you instantly see that many of their criticisms are unfair, selective or informationally impoverished.

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By: SamChevre https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1631 Tue, 30 May 2006 20:02:31 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1631 I too find Alan Jacobs list very helpful. In my observation, #3 is great, and even #2 is sometimes great–but it is absolutely key that there be #2’s and #3’s in all directions.

My observation as an undergrad was that #4 was common, as was #4; #2 was common in certain disciplines, which tended to be the most politicized. The problem was that points of view generally considered conservative (the British Empire was generally better than its successors, the American South was justified in secession, literature should be studied for its beauty, religion is preferable to non-religion) were not represented among the #2 and #3 classes, and were thinly represented elsewhere. #1 and #7 are definite problems, but are rare; I think the problem with academia is too many #3’s who all agree.

Or, to put it differently: it is possible to get a good understanding of economics reading only John Kenneth Galbraith and Milton Friedman; it is much harder to get a good understanding reading only Adam Smith, Samuelson, James Buchanan, and Friedman.

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By: texter https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1630 Tue, 30 May 2006 19:06:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1630 The list you drew up, Alan, is very helpful. Thanks. I can see why #4 and #5 are appealing. Personally, I can see myself stimulated by #3.

One thing that is sometimes missing from these discussions is that students (especially earlier in their studies) don’t always know what (we) believe, even when (we) think we do. I am speaking for myself when I was an undergraduate. Students come from all kinds of households, where they have been exposed to various levels of engagement with “the political” (an amorphous concept that need fleshing out). The classroom is surely a space for exploration. Professors with points of views may better aid a student in his/her exploration than a blank slate.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1629 Tue, 30 May 2006 19:05:00 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1629 My mom’s experience as a public school teacher is that classroom monitoring is indeed intrusive and artificial, and is not done on the scale required to be fair. It’s a pretend solution that turns out to just be wasteful.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1627 Tue, 30 May 2006 17:22:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1627 Well, please 1) suggest the above to the Swat faculty; 2) suggest to the AAUP; 3) mention on the ACTA blog that this is the sort of monitoring you are now advocating to make institutional. Let ACTA know someone in academia is taking them seriously, though proposing different solutions! — and as I’ve said before, any monitoring which could *provide quantitative information* would allow you and ACTA to argue on more than anecdote.

I support your suggestion. I’m open to the idea that more monitoring is necessary, but I support this practically. Consensus!

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1624 Tue, 30 May 2006 11:01:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1624 I think yes, we could have some form of monitoring or quality assessment that we do not presently have. I think we could look for encouragement of free inquiry and intellectual openness in that process, but I don’t accept your parenthetical definitions of those two values, for reasons I made clear in the other thread and in this one. I think the thing to think about is how to make teaching more visible and shared as an activity: I think a system of monitoring that involved a designated monitor coming in to a classroom to watch and record a given teaching session would be: a) extraordinarily expensive if it was done on the scale required to be fair; b) intrusive and artificial. As you noted with the other examples of professional monitoring, most monitoring of doctors and lawyers happens as a routine outgrowth of the kind of work they do (e.g., surgery or diagnosis often happens in the presence of other professionals, a paper trail is created that’s extensive; law often happens in a courtroom, and records of legal consultations are often created as the consultation occurs). So that’s really what we need, rather than people with notepads sitting in the back of classrooms. How do we get it? How about making publically accessible class weblogs an expected or conventional part of most courses, for one example? Encouraging team teaching would be another possibility (though it’s extremely expensive to do routinely). Posting of detailed syllabi as a requirement. And so on: doing what we can to make teaching transparent and transcribed would, for me, be enough to constitute a useful system of monitoring.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/28/some-teaching-i-have-known/comment-page-1/#comment-1623 Tue, 30 May 2006 03:53:50 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=204#comment-1623 t even try?" Not to beat a dead horse, but you are still writing on the same subject, and I do think your answers to these questions are relevant.]]> Tim: I still await your answer on some questions I had the last time around:

“Do I take it correctly that you accept 1) that academia, in principle, does and should incorporate mutual monitoring as an aspect of its professional ethics; 2) that academia could, in principle, extend this monitoring to include aspects of classroom pedagogy including encouragement of free inquiry by their students (no agit-prop) and intellectual openness (no partisan narrowness)? If you are willing to accept these two principles, then I would encourage you, as said before, *to develop yourself* an institutional system of monitoring that takes into account your worries about mutual respect and proportionality …. Let us grant there is no current standard of pedagogical malpractice; let us grant it will be difficult to develop one; do you believe it is impossible? Do you believe the profession shouldn’t even try?”

Not to beat a dead horse, but you are still writing on the same subject, and I do think your answers to these questions are relevant.

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