Comments on: History 63: The Whole Enchilada https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 31 May 2006 04:27:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: abstractart https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1637 Wed, 31 May 2006 04:27:03 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1637 As a student who took this class not so many moons ago, I can say that Spengler is one of the few out of the list of books that were assigned as entire books rather than excerpts where I *did* end up reading the whole damn thing. Him, Fukuyama, our excerpted copy of ibn Khaldun (which still counts because what was excerpted I read from physical cover to physical cover) and whichever book I ended up doing a book report on (I think McNeill, though I could be wrong).

I have no idea why this ended up being true, since I liked many of the other books far more but never got around to doing more than jumping around within the text.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1599 Tue, 23 May 2006 04:14:18 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1599 That’s the interesting thing for me about this class. I have very strong preferences for microhistorical scales of analysis, but it’s “good to think” at the other end of things for a while.

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By: Simon Shoedecker https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1598 Tue, 23 May 2006 04:12:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1598 My recollection is that all my professors who used class participation as an element in grading made clear, when discussing their grading policies at the start of the term, that if you weren’t there you couldn’t participate. How much non-participation or non-presence you could get away with was up to you, though guidelines were sometimes offered.

Nobody ever gave you specific points off for unexcused absences, though, as they would in high school. But that’s what the warning in your syllabus sounded as if you do.

Fascinating class topic, by the way, and it would have tempted me (as a history major) even though I have little taste for or interest in those giant big-picture stylist historians.

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By: withywindle https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1591 Mon, 22 May 2006 17:55:07 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1591 I hated reading White in my Intro to Historiography class, but I seem to partake of “the linguistic turn” myself. So even if wary of some (many?!?) of his arguments, as I recollect them mistily, I can’t help but be influenced by him.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1588 Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:49 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1588 Simon, the attendance notice in a syllabus was put in by request of my department. The problem that a few faculty in the department got into was that when they based some of their grade on poor attendance, two students complained that they were never told explicitly that attendance would play a role in the grade. So we all put that language in as a way of establishing that attendance *could* be used as an evaluative instrument. For me, I’d say that poor attendance has a way of creating poor performance on papers and exams, so it takes care of itself as a criteria for evaluation in that way. But if someone is chronically absent, I do use that as a way to “fudge downward” a borderline grade derived from performance on assignments. (e.g., a B minus/C plus performance on assignments gets tipped by bad attendance to a C plus). Other faculty in my department are much more exacting in the way they measure and use attendance, but the language is in there to protect our collective right to use it as we see fit in evaluation.

Sam: That’s a huge topic! But yes, Hayden White had a huge impact on the practice of most professional historians, and Metahistory was a key driver of what is often called “the linguistic turn” in history. I’ll see if I can’t work up an entry on this at some point in relation to a course I’m teaching next spring.

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By: Sam https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1586 Mon, 22 May 2006 03:01:54 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1586 If I can ask a genuinely ignorant question… (Believe me, I can: there’s ample precedent.)

I’m curious how a professional historian evaluates the work of Hayden White and the like. As a literary critic, I find his Metahistory profoundly provocative and intriguing (and still packing some punch three decades after its publication), but I’m pretty removed from the world of “actual” historians. (Possibly, and ungenerously to myself, because being a prrofessional historian requires “actual” knowledge.) So: does White’s book, and others like it, have any impact on the way professional historians think about their narrative practice?

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By: Simon Shoedecker https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1583 Mon, 22 May 2006 00:29:15 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1583 A totally different topic, but I was intrigued by the statement, “Attendance, as per History Department policy, is required.”

Is this a common policy today? In my day as a major-university history major, 30 years ago, attendance was never required. The only penalty for missing too many classes was getting a poor grade on the class-participation element. Instructors were very strict about assignment deadlines, however.

Students were pretty conscientious about attendance as far as I observed. But they might skip an occasional lecture class without saying anything to anybody. In some large lectures, discussion sections were where assignments were dealt with, and attendance was very good; in others they were strictly voluntary and couldn’t have held everybody if they’d all showed up. In seminars, one told (not asked) the prof beforehand of a pre-scheduled absence, and explained a sickness absence on one’s return, but politeness, not department rules, enforced this.

I suspect the subsequent advent of e-mail has done a lot towards creating stricter standards of communication in this regard.

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By: texter https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1578 Sun, 21 May 2006 04:06:11 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1578 “Global History”? – a few names please, when convenient… Thank you.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1577 Sun, 21 May 2006 03:12:56 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1577 I don’t build undergraduate syllabi to showcase the best historians in the sense of craftwork; I build them to sketch out the boundaries of an intellectual space, to generate discussion, to create tensions and highlight contradictions. If I was choosing the best historians writing about world history from a craftwork standpoint, I’d largely assign folks who do “global history”, current practicioners in that field.

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By: jgoodwin https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/05/18/history-63-the-whole-enchilada/comment-page-1/#comment-1576 Sun, 21 May 2006 03:01:59 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=202#comment-1576 I have read substantial portions of it and am trying to finish it, but I tend to be one of these people who subscribes to the “great unread” thesis: that almost every long and difficult (and boring, yes) book survives through skims and cribs. Whenever someone has read one, it seems like, it was long ago and not much is remembered. Honestly, long ago one was playing Nethack when much of this reading Spengler long into the night was supposed to have taken place. (I kid a little, of course. Perhaps you read at Miriam Burstein-like rates. Perhaps you thought that the Magian cycle was nigh.)

But the more important point here is that you would have to agree, I suppose, that comparing Johnson to Hobsbawm as historian is mildly obscene. Making that kind of intellectual trade-off for diversity’s sake is a far greater sin than any of the ACTA-chimeras, as far as I can tell.

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