Comments on: Lolly Lolly Lolly, or the Adverb Pusher https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Wed, 03 May 2006 13:55:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1398 Wed, 03 May 2006 13:55:17 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1398 I dunno, banning ‘e’ might bring about satisfying analysis. On occasion, naturally, and not in all applications.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1341 Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:28:34 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1341 I was kidding, Vance.

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By: Vance Maverick https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1340 Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:49:06 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1340 I think that I should assign an analytic essay where all adjectives and adverbs are banned from use.

How would you phrase this ban? Taken literally, it would be a bit like banning the letter E. Your students would fall back on circumlocutions like “essay of analysis”, which is presumably not what you have in mind.

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1336 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:30:58 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1336 One of my grad school professors handed out a short list of grammatical and rhetorical pet peeves at the beginning of the semester. He then just marked the number of the peeve at the site of the infraction. He also advocated a complete ban on adverbs in analytic writing.

As for near misses, I think Mark Twain said it best: “The difference between the right word and almost the right word is the difference between a lightning bug and lightning.”

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By: CMarko https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1335 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:24:35 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1335 “Thesauring” is related to “slender yellow fruit syndrome,” in which the writer goes to extreme lengths not to repeat himself. The name comes from a sample mini-paragraph:
“I offered John an apple or a banana. He chose the slender yellow fruit.”
I’ve seen this kind of thing in friends’ papers as well as my own.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1333 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:03:54 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1333 My graduate advisor, who does not speak like that, does write like that, with a list of synonymous gerunds, and I did pick up the habit a bit.

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By: abstractart https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1330 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:36:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1330 I would instantly become a better writer if you could somehow modify my keyboard to take away the ability to write parentheses and emdashes. A long time ago I started using them more often in order to try to create a more realistic, conversational flow in my writing and keep it from being boxed up in the standard structure of an English sentence. Now, when I get in full flow, I realize that most of my clogged-up prose is no longer capable of seeing the standard structure of an English sentence over the horizon on a clear day.

Also: I had a mildly disturbing moment the other day when I realized what was weird about the speech of a fellow student I know. She speaks in paper-ese. That is, she has incorporated certain habits of language that everyone uses when trying to pad out uninteresting papers to meet a minimum length requirement *into her daily speech*, without realizing that these things, when expressed in spoken rather than written form, tend to make you sound like a lunatic. The most obvious example is the breathless list of synonymous words or phrases. Something’s not just “shocking”, it’s “shocking, appalling, disgusting, wretched, horrifying”. It’s not just “a bad idea”, it’s “a bad idea, a false step, a foolish turning, a dangerous precedent”. We don’t just need to “stand against it”, we need to “stand against it, speak to just how wrong it is, rally all like-minded people in opposition”. It becomes wearying to listen to her after a while; it’s like one of Winston Churchill’s speeches times ten, only with the subject matter being student council elections rather than impending war. It’s really too much misplaced intensity for my stomach to handle.

I’ve since made a note to myself that “thesauring”, as I call it, is a very dangerous habit for people with big vocabularies with a tendency toward hyperbole, and have tried to eliminate it from my writing as much as I possibly can.

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By: unclewilly https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1329 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:23:16 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1329 “Write with nouns and verbs, not with adjectives and adverbs. The adjective hasn’t been built that can pull a weak or inaccurate noun out of a tight place. . . . In general . . .it is nouns and verbs, not their assistants, that give good writing its toughness and color.” –E. B. White

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By: kieran https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1328 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:23:03 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1328 How about just banning “very”

I’d settle for being able to convince people that “incredibly” is not a synonym of “very.”

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2006/04/21/lolly-lolly-lolly-or-the-adverb-pusher/comment-page-1/#comment-1327 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:03:08 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=175#comment-1327 I’ve always found the idea of enforcing word minimums with precision to be one of the sillier pedagogical things a professor could do. I mean, ok, if you say a paper should be 5-7 pages and you get a 1 page paper, that’s not right. But otherwise…

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