Comments on: The Course That Never Was https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/ Culture, Politics, Academia and Other Shiny Objects Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:54:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.15 By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-939 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:54:50 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-939 The avatar creation aspect is one of the explicit issues I wanted the class to think about: do they want users to be doing that, what would be involved, etc.? It’s a really neat design problem in virtual worlds material, but also a great historiographical problem that touches on re-enactment.

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By: manu https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-937 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:26:43 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-937 This sounds really cool, I hope you stick to it.

I had one thought, and wasn’t sure if it crossed your mind but I thought I’d spell it out. The way the project is described it sounds like you are producing a somewhat interactive exhibit. That is, the elements that your class would be learning how to reconstruct in virtual space (i.e., architecture, sound, and population) would allow you to recreate in considerable detail a place like early 20th century Johannesburg.

I’m wondering if you can take the concept of interactivity further. What if the virtual space was not just an exhibit, but rather, a game in which players could create avatars, exist in the virtual space and otherwise gain a fuller “experiential” knowledge of life in the past? The elements you identify are essential elements of a historical space, I don’t deny that, but I wonder if in the gaming context they would fall more into the background.

In contrast, how might you research/recreate the historical experience of living under a particular political ideology? Let me move this from apartheid to an area I know a bit better. When I was taking Pieter Judson’s Fascist Europe seminar I remember learning a lot about the experience of totalitarianism and the so-called atomisation of everyday life. Now, imagine a game whose code/rules recreated similar structures of governance. These in turn would affect how the characters in the game would live and interact–and that experience might be very informative. In a way this is not that different from the experience you get from reading first-person literature (I’m thinking about the Diary of Anne Frank), in that by identifying with a first-person narrator we do transport ourselves into a version of a historical past. But virtual space is different, and that’s something to talk about as well.

Most of all, I’m sure that the idea of “playing” a Jew would raise all sorts of interesting historiographical questions for you to talk about.

And yes, I agree, interdisciplinarity is pretty great.

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By: ataraxite https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-909 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:58:26 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-909 I’ve talked to Swatties who’ve said that this was the best class they ever took at Swat.

I also couldn’t even read the description of the class because it sounded SO BORING.

Come on Tim. Pander to us! We’re lazy and were raised on television. Call it Queer Eye for the Primary Text; you’ll be beating them off with a stick.

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By: David Chudzicki https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-906 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:47:38 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-906 s an easy position for undergraduates to take, from our luxurious seat of just taking courses, and being encouraged to take courses in different but connected disciplines. We haven’t yet gotten to the point where we’re asked to focus in on one discipline’s interests and methods to the exclusion of everything else.]]> Re lonely position: Maybe it’s an easy position for undergraduates to take, from our luxurious seat of just taking courses, and being encouraged to take courses in different but connected disciplines. We haven’t yet gotten to the point where we’re asked to focus in on one discipline’s interests and methods to the exclusion of everything else.

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By: David Conners https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-903 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:49:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-903 Don’t give up! Primary Text Workshop was the best history course I took at Swarthmore and I still talk about it. It was also a major influence in my desicion to pursue an MLS degree. I think it really is a marketing issue, but not about the name of the course. History majors at Swat really only get exposed to one type of history in the department. PTW is great because of its applied nature and that is just very different from the other courses in the department and hard to get across in a few sentence course description. My advice would be to talk it up more with current students.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-902 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:16:42 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-902 Yeah, I think it is. Sometimes that feels like a lonely position, though.

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By: David Chudzicki https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-901 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:48:40 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-901 “One team would tackle the issue of sound and speech … methodological and theoretical problems in their area (say, for example, how we can know what the spoken word in the past sounded like) … ”

This course sounds great. Specifically, I know it’s just one example, but I didn’t realize there was a meeting like that between historical linguistics and history. Wouldn’t it be great if you got people who had previously or were currently taking this and Sean Crist’s course in that (or if not, maybe he would be willing to advise people anyway)? The methods in his course are all about how to figure out the phonology of a language from the past. His focus is more on languages that we would have less information about than something as modern as 19th century, but I’m sure that it would be useful, along with dialectology, sociolinguistics… After figuring out what the language really looked like at that time, finding a way to turn that work into something practical would be just as interesting. Maybe it’s possible to get a speaker of the modern language to learn enough of the phonology (this is the hardest part, I think) to make correct utterances for you? Or perhaps it could be treated as a problem in speech synthesis? Or some combination. Cool stuff. Interdisciplinarity is great.

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By: Timothy Burke https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-900 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:56:43 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-900 Yeah, I’m thinking it’s a marketing issue. Part of it is I wanted a generic title so I can shift the class around each time I do it in terms of content. Part of it is also that I didn’t want to get *too many* students, as I needed at least seven but didn’t want more than 15, but we can’t cap classes now unless they’re certain very formal categories of courses. I certainly seem to have achieved the goal of keeping too many students from signing up.

I’m very undecided about whether to try this again or not.

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By: Jonathan Dresner https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-899 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:53:12 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-899 Wow. That’s like my historiography course (this semester) and my Korean History through Primary Sources course (next semester) put together!

On the other hand, given the choice between this and the History of the Future, I know what I’d like to take….

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By: Doug https://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/blog/2005/11/28/124/comment-page-1/#comment-898 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:01:09 +0000 http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=124#comment-898 I’m thinking something similar about the title. What about Applied History? That’s surprising enough to at least get someone to read the description, after which the chances of hooking them to sign up are greater.

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